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Old November 28th, 2009, 11:24 PM   #2301
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Another one: the old border between France and Savoy until 1860.

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Old November 29th, 2009, 12:47 AM   #2302
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Another interesting one. This was the border between France and Spain until 1660. Only history geeks now the exact location of this old border today.

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These unsuspecting motorists have no idea they are crossing the medieval border between France and Spain. Precisely, it was the border between the kingdom of France and the kingdom of Aragon from 1258 to 1462, and then the border between the kingdom of France and the kingdom of Spain from 1493 to 1659 (between 1462 and 1493, Roussillon was temporarily annexed to France).
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Old November 29th, 2009, 01:06 AM   #2303
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Of course it wasn't my mistake. It's just some SSC error, which causes misspelling of some words.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 01:10 AM   #2304
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Another crossing point on the medieval border between France and Spain. What's interesting here is that the medieval border between the two kingdoms is still visible today, because it serves as the border between the Aude department and the Pyrénées-Orientales department. Notice the departmental marker and how the pavement is different on both sides of the border.

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The departmental sign was placed a little bit beyond the exact border (you can see it in the distance in the previous picture). Notice how the Pyrénées-Orientales departmental council use a stylized Catalonian (Aragonese) flag in their logo.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 01:20 AM   #2305
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I wonder why Lithuania pokes into Belarus here...

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Old November 29th, 2009, 01:26 AM   #2306
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Either it's one of Stalin's shennanigans, or it goes back to some old medieval borders in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 01:47 AM   #2307
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Well, apparently the answer to your question is here. I wasn't able to understand everything. Perhaps a Lithuanian forumer could translate for us...
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1939 m. rugsėjo 17 d. sovietams įsiveržus į rytinę Lenkiją Dieveniškės buvo prijungtos prie Baltarusijos TSR. 1940 m. sovietai pradėjo tremti į Rusijos gilumą lenkų ir lietuvių inteligentiją, eigulius, turtingesnius ūkininkus.

Sakoma, kad 1939 m. Kremliuje braižant Lietuvai grąžinto Vilniaus krašto sienas, ant žemėlapio gulėjusi Stalino pypkė. Niekas neišdrįsęs jos pajudinti, tad ir apibrėžę valstybės sienos linija. Pagal patikimesnę versiją, ryžtingai suveikė šio mišrios tautinės sudėties krašto lietuviai, prašydami prijungti kraštą prie Lietuvos. Jų prašymas pasiekė aukščiausius SSRS vadovus ir 1940 m. lapkričio 6 d. Dieveniškės grąžintos Lietuvai. Tai ir buvo padaryta Lietuvos įstojimo į SSRS proga.
Briefly, the area you highlighted on the map is called the Dieveniškės appendix, after the name of the largest town in that appendix. I checked, it doesn't correspond to any old border within the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. After WW1 it became part of Poland. In 1939 Stalin annexed it to Belarus, then later it was given to Lithuania for reasons explained in the text above that I haven't fully understood.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 02:20 AM   #2308
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@brisavoine very interesting, you could maybe show us on map where those places actually are today.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 03:25 AM   #2309
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Here you have a map showing where the pictures were taken.
Yellow square: post #2299
Green square: post #2301
Blue square: post #2302
Red square: post #2304

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Old November 29th, 2009, 06:31 PM   #2310
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Botswana - Namibia border
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Old November 29th, 2009, 10:08 PM   #2311
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The border between Spain and Portugal before 1801
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Old November 29th, 2009, 10:16 PM   #2312
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Not the Soviet Union?
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Old November 29th, 2009, 10:18 PM   #2313
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No, you see those things all over the place in Portugal, with the end of the facism in the 1970's. Infact, Portugal is an official socialist country even though right wing parties are sometimes in power.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 10:26 PM   #2314
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Algeria ==> Morocco, crossing point (closed since 1994)

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Old November 29th, 2009, 10:33 PM   #2315
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Mauritania ==> Morocco, crossing point

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Old November 29th, 2009, 10:57 PM   #2316
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Is this some kind of a race? The Transporter from the first pic is from Poland.
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Old November 29th, 2009, 11:09 PM   #2317
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Is this some kind of a race? The Transporter from the first pic is from Poland.
Yup maybe the race of Sahara! They across Africa through Morocco (Tangier) then they go to subsaharians countries!
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Old November 30th, 2009, 12:56 AM   #2318
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Since Morocco - Algerian border is closed is there a way to travel by car from Morocco to Egypt, for example, by car? And does someone have experience about driving through those countries (Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt). Maybe this is not proper topic, but I don't know where to ask this kind od question.
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Old November 30th, 2009, 01:03 AM   #2319
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Since Morocco - Algerian border is closed is there a way to travel by car from Morocco to Egypt, for example, by car? And does someone have experience about driving through those countries (Morocco, Algeria, Libya, Egypt). Maybe this is not proper topic, but I don't know where to ask this kind od question.
No way! For those who want to travel from Morocco to Egypt by car, they can take the ferry to Spain then drive to Italy, take the ferry to Tunisia and continu to Egypt! I think but I prefer the plane until the completion of the transmaghrebine highway and the reopening of the border between Morocco and Algeria!
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Old November 30th, 2009, 01:21 AM   #2320
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I think there's ferry between Melilla (African portion of Spain) and Algeria.
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