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Old December 3rd, 2009, 08:36 PM   #2341
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Yeah closed borders are sooooo Cold War-ish...
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 08:50 PM   #2342
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In the cold war, there were no borders closed for anyone, only some were difficult to cross for a lot of people.
Except MA-DZ, are there more totally closed borders? Even North-/South-Korea is more accessible than this one.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 09:51 PM   #2343
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In the cold war, there were no borders closed for anyone, only some were difficult to cross for a lot of people.
Except MA-DZ, are there more totally closed borders? Even North-/South-Korea is more accessible than this one.
No idea, MA-DZ is the world's longest closed borders (about 1600kms)!
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 11:35 PM   #2344
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In the cold war, there were no borders closed for anyone, only some were difficult to cross for a lot of people.
Except MA-DZ, are there more totally closed borders? Even North-/South-Korea is more accessible than this one.
China-Afghanistan (China doesn't want terrorists, it's not about high mountains), China-Bhutan (I don't know the reason; there are high mountains, but I can see a road or a path between them), Myanmar (Burma) has got closed border with Bangladesh, India and Laos; Turkey-Armenia (Armenian genocide), Israel's got closed border with Lebanon and Syria; Gaza Strip-Egypt, and perhaps some more. North Korea closed its border with Russia for everyone except Russians and North Koreans (but only some selected ones ), while I'm not sure, if Myanmar (Burma) has open border with China and Thailand for everyone or just for the Chinese and Thais, respectively (not for ordinary Burmese, of course). Its border with them is longer than Morocco-Algeria.
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 11:38 PM   #2345
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No idea, MA-DZ is the world's longest closed borders (about 1600kms)!
The good example:

Where is the border?

The border passage on the road: Ostrava (Czech Republic) - Racibórz, Gliwice (Poland).










The road is in Czech Republic.

The garden behind the fence is in Poland.












The houses from right is in Poland
left side of the road - Czech republic.
The border stone - on right shoulder.



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Old December 3rd, 2009, 11:49 PM   #2346
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Old December 3rd, 2009, 11:57 PM   #2347
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Are there possible Customs Union: Marocco, Algeria, Tunisia ?

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Old December 4th, 2009, 12:18 AM   #2348
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Are there possible Customs Union: Marocco, Algeria, Tunisia ?

It's the Arab Maghreb Union with Libya and Mauritania but the political problems between Morocco and Algeria and the Sahara's conflict block the creation of the union!
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Old December 4th, 2009, 12:24 AM   #2349
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North Korea closed its border with Russia for everyone except Russians and North Koreans.
Last year I read a report (with photos) about two Austrians who went to North Korea by train. (I think via Moscow and Beijing)
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via the Russian-North Korean border?
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Old December 4th, 2009, 01:32 AM   #2351
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I think that the closure of the border between Morocco and Algeria is only a political instrument, and there aren't any actual fences except near population centers and roads. Neither Morocco or Algeria have the means for constructing a 1600-km fence like between the two Germanys back in the day.

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via the Russian-North Korean border?
There was a link to that report in the RRA thread like a year ago. But since the search function is disabled it's kind of hard to find. I read that blog and according to the travellers, it was easier to get a visa to North Korea than to Russia.
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Last year I read a report (with photos) about two Austrians who went to North Korea by train. (I think via Moscow and Beijing)
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via the Russian-North Korean border?
Yes, and it was supposed to be illegal, but the North Korean officers didn't know it. (while Russians don't care) Since it was found out, they informed personnel at the border that crossing for third-country citizens is strictly forbidden. They probably also shot the officers.

Btw, is the short border between Algeria and Western Sahara (or whatever you call it ) closed as well? Looking in GE, there doesn't seem to be any road between them, although I've seen one on some maps.
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Of course, there's a part of the western sahara left by Morocco to the polisario, I don't know if algerians can across this part of the sahara but Morocco no way, there's a wall, the wall of the sands!
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Old December 4th, 2009, 02:31 AM   #2354
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It's weird that this wall is nowhere shown as some kind of a "border", even though it's impossible to cross it. Even Cyprus has that dashed line drawn usually.
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Old December 4th, 2009, 03:21 AM   #2355
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Most probably political reasons. In essence it's just a cease-fire line since 1991, not a border of any kind.
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Old December 4th, 2009, 04:04 AM   #2356
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But there seem to be border crossings on this line. The N1 road between Mauritania and Western Sahara/Morocco isn't paved in the Polisario-controlled part of Western Sahara. Driving from the Morocco-controlled part of Western Sahara through the Polisario-controlled part into Mauritania:

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Old December 4th, 2009, 05:26 AM   #2357
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There is a Moroccan border post at the end of the N1 at the wall, but the Mauritanian border post is not straight at it but instead at their own border. At this part of western Sahara, the no man's land behind the wall is truly a no man's land because the Polisario forces aren't patrolling this part of the desert. Since they're based in Tindouf in Algeria, in the northeast, they have no interest in this part of the country just now.

The reason that there is a border post is that Moroccan authorities want to control who leaves and who enters the territory under their control. They don't really care where you go.
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via the Russian-North Korean border?
Come to think of it, it was probably the Chinese-North Korean border.
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Old December 4th, 2009, 08:02 AM   #2359
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It was Russian-North Korean border.

Here is the link to the blog about this trip:
http://vienna-pyongyang.blogspot.com/
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Old December 4th, 2009, 09:07 AM   #2360
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And there is also a thread about it in the railway section:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=728480
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