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Old December 5th, 2009, 09:25 PM   #2381
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A25 on Portuguese side:



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Old December 5th, 2009, 09:39 PM   #2382
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Isn't it even more funny that on German territory, there are 2 German stripes and 2 Dutch stripes? On Dutch territory they are all Dutch
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Old December 5th, 2009, 09:39 PM   #2383
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I sense some national pride being hurt
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Old December 5th, 2009, 09:41 PM   #2384
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Not really

At least the motorway is there now. Too bad that the N280 is no motorway, but at least it's 2×2.
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Old December 5th, 2009, 09:52 PM   #2385
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no, i mean that dashed line of entrance ramp. there are 2 those little lines in german style, and rest are in dutch style ain't it funny?
It's funny, but that's because they're in Germany. It's actually funny that part of the entrance ramp is in the Netherlands and part of it in Germany. Does it happen anywhere else in the world?

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Old December 5th, 2009, 11:11 PM   #2386
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Does it happen anywhere else in the world?

Yes: http://maps.google.ch/maps?f=q&sourc...02401&t=h&z=19

Also the railway station is on the border: http://maps.google.ch/maps?f=q&sourc...02401&t=h&z=19

(Google's hybrid maps (satellite&roads) are not always accurate, but here it's quite correct)
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Old December 6th, 2009, 12:18 AM   #2387
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It also happens here http://maps.google.ch/maps?f=q&sourc...09645&t=h&z=17

The off ramp for a Dutch rest area is in Germany, while the motorway itself is in Germany for a few hundred meters on one side, then the border switches to the other side. In the eastbound direction, the off ramp is in the Netherlands while the parking area is in Germany.
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Old December 6th, 2009, 01:51 AM   #2388
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Indeed, I always thought the border was in the middle of the border crossing.
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Old December 6th, 2009, 02:30 AM   #2389
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Not really
I was referring to our friend from Figueira da Foz
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Old December 6th, 2009, 10:20 AM   #2390
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Ah, ok. x-type was messing things up by posting in between
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Old December 6th, 2009, 04:29 PM   #2391
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I was referring to our friend from Figueira da Foz


Yeah, i've seen the Spanish ake the piss out of us to much with those photos



The only current Portuguese border on googlestreetview.
(Near Marvão, for some reason there is streetview for 100m or so before the border in the middle of nowhere).

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Old December 8th, 2009, 01:46 AM   #2392
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Olivenza/Olivença, currently administered as part of the Extremadura region, Badajoz province.
I'm from Badajoz, 20 km from Olivenza. Although you can find some Portuguese architecture in Olivenza, especially if you visit the walls or if you go downtown, this village was previously Spanish and so is its culture. Only elderly people speak a kind of Portuñol. Young people speak only Spanish and feel Portugal as a very nice although foreign country. With this clarification I want to point out that the declarations made by the American CIA some years ago, which classified Olivenza as a disputated area such as Palestine, have nothing to do with real life in this calm village.
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Old December 8th, 2009, 07:35 PM   #2393
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It's a relatively small border point close to Prizren on Kosovo's side and going towards Tetovo on the MK side.
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Old December 8th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #2394
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I'm from Badajoz, 20 km from Olivenza. Although you can find some Portuguese architecture in Olivenza, especially if you visit the walls or if you go downtown, this village was previously Spanish and so is its culture. Only elderly people speak a kind of Portuñol. Young people speak only Spanish and feel Portugal as a very nice although foreign country. With this clarification I want to point out that the declarations made by the American CIA some years ago, which classified Olivenza as a disputated area such as Palestine, have nothing to do with real life in this calm village.
Since the 1950's they have given up Portuguese there and there's no way the people there would prefer the poorer Portugal to Spain so it's going to remain Spanish, even if it had been Portuguese since a stage of the Reconquista in, forgive me if I'm mistaken, 1292.
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Old December 8th, 2009, 11:44 PM   #2395
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I've never understood that silly dispute anyway. Spanish and Portuguese are two sister languages. There is no border between these two languages properly speaking, they form a continuum. Olivenza lies in the area where Spanish merges into Portuguese and vice versa, the people there must always have felt somewhere in between, like people living on border areas always feel, especially when that border area is in a language continuun (and not a sharp language border like, say, Italian and German). So what sense does it make to try and assess if Olivenza people are more Spanish or Portuguese historically?
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Old December 9th, 2009, 12:04 AM   #2396
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Anyway, here is a true sharp language border. The mother of all language borders.

It's just fascinanting to me that the people in the house to the right in the foreground are Romance speakers whereas the people in the houses in the background are Germanic speakers. How can people living so close to each other for so many centuries remain so completely separated by language? It's one of those things that has always fascinated me.

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Old December 9th, 2009, 03:09 AM   #2397
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Interesting photo, thank you!

The same situation (though a bit different) occurs in places such as Frankfurt (Oder)-Slubice - I'd be willing to bet that Germans in Frankfurt barely know any Polish whatsoever. I'm actually going there sometime soon to conduct some personal research into language there - the results will be very interesting I think.
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Old December 9th, 2009, 03:49 AM   #2398
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how about the China-Russia border? I can't think of any sharper language border than that, there are completely different writing systems, grammar, and historical origins
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how about the China-Russia border? I can't think of any sharper language border than that, there are completely different writing systems, grammar, and historical origins
The people on both sides of this border were Tungustic people speaking a continuum of languages. Chinese and Russian are only modern superimpositions. It's totally different from the Romance-Germanic border where people speaking languages from two different languages families have lived for centuries next to each other. In that border area, the Germanic speakers are called Thiois/Tedesco by the Romance speakers, while the Romance speakers are called Waal/Welsche by the Germanic speakers.
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also, all countries bordering with Hungary make strong language barrier, especially Croatia where appears very weak mixing of languages (only really few Croatian villages in Hungary and vice versa)
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