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Old January 20th, 2010, 04:42 AM   #2701
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After the northern border of Belgium, here comes the southern border. In this pic it's the border between Belgium (Wallonia) and France.

[img]http://i45.************/2vjeiq8.jpg[/img]
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Old January 20th, 2010, 06:44 PM   #2702
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Gotta love borders that envolving Belgium. It runs through small cities. Do anybody know why is this?
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Old January 20th, 2010, 07:07 PM   #2703
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Do anybody know why is this?
Wars. Basically, the borders of Belgium are quite artificial, running through urban settlements and flat land, because of the wars waged against France by its neighbors to contain the expansion of the French territory. If France had managed to get its so-called "natural borders", i.e. the Rhine and Meuse rivers, which were the borders of the ancient Gaul, you wouldn't have these funny borders cutting through urban settlements and flat land now. The current borders of Belgium are essentially the result of cease-fire lines and lines agreed during negociations following wars.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 07:35 PM   #2704
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Here in the picture below you have an example of a natural border of France (I understand that in reality there is no such thing as a "natural border", but that's how this border was and is perceived by people in France). It's the border between France and Germany on the Rhine River. The other natural borders of France are the summit of the Jura mountains between France and Switzerland, the summit of the Alps between France and Italy, and the summit of the Pyrénées between France and Spain/Andorra. The border is considered artificial in the north-east, between Lauterbourg in Alsace and Bray-Dunes near Dunkirk.

On our way to l'Allemagne.
[img]http://i50.************/15fokyb.jpg[/img]

Only 1 km before the border with Germany. The sign says "République Fédérale d'Allemagne".
[img]http://i48.************/all1mh.jpg[/img]

The border on the Rhine River. Across the Rhine you can see the mountains of the Black Forest.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 08:05 PM   #2705
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The border between France and Switzerland in the Jura mountains.

[img]http://i48.************/2sb0ew3.jpg[/img]

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Old January 20th, 2010, 08:08 PM   #2706
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@ Brisavoine: you seem to know a lot about history. Did you study this, or is it just a hobby?
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Old January 20th, 2010, 08:26 PM   #2707
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I studied it in high school just like any other school kid in Europe. I didn't take any major or minor in history at the university though (except a minor in Chinese history). Most of what I know is because I learned by myself, out of interest. My mom, however, graduated in history at the university. I used to discuss the battles of Louis XV with her and stuff like that while she was preparing dinner.

Anyway, this is not an international border, but it is a very interesting and rare sign in Europe that I've just discovered on Google Street View. The continental divide between the North Sea and the Mediterranean Sea, in the Jura mountains!

[img]http://i48.************/k30pl4.jpg[/img]

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Old January 20th, 2010, 08:29 PM   #2708
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I have seen such signs in Germany too, I believe.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 08:35 PM   #2709
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Any pictures?

The only other such sign I know in Europe is the continental divide between the Atlantic and the Mediterranean near Castelnaudary. There is even an obelisk that was built there in the 19th century by the descendants of the engineer who built the Canal du Midi.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 08:38 PM   #2710
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Wikipedia:


I believe I've seen one on A7, but they are indeed rare.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 08:49 PM   #2711
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Such a sign exists on the French A31 (or A6, not sure about it).
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Old January 20th, 2010, 09:43 PM   #2712
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Here is the sign I was talking about, near Castelnaudary. The passage through the continental divide here is called the Seuil de Naurouse (Naurouze Threshold). The ancient Greek geographers called it the Gallic Isthmus. It's the lowest point on the continental divide between the Atlantic and the Mediterranean.

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Here the obelisk that was erected in the 19th century right on the continental divide at Naurouze (etymologically "the windy place", as the winds from the Mediterranean to the Atlantic all converge here).


The obelisk was erected over some rocky formations, the Stones of Naurouze, that are the only bare rocks in the region (it is thought the continual wind revealed these bare rocks over the milleniums). These stones were throught to have some magical powers, and the troubadours during the Middle Ages said that when the cracks between the stones would disappear (i.e. when the stones would touch each other), the world would come to an end.


Old people report that in the early 20th century the cracks were large enough so a child could hide in between them, but now they have considerably narrowed. You draw your own conclusion.
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Old January 20th, 2010, 10:01 PM   #2713
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Hranice on Moravě. Czech Republic.
The natural border: Watershed among Baltic Sea and Black Sea.

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Old January 20th, 2010, 10:19 PM   #2714
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Such a sign exists on the French A31 (or A6, not sure about it).
In fact it's on the A36 somewhere. I've passed it many times but I don't remember exactly where it is.
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Old January 21st, 2010, 02:43 AM   #2715
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In fact it's on the A36 somewhere. I've passed it many times but I don't remember exactly where it is.
I've found it.

[img]http://i48.************/a9lp2.jpg[/img]
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Old January 21st, 2010, 03:38 AM   #2716
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Très bien. But my memory tells me there is also a graphic illustration to this sign. Maybe it's in the other direction? Where exactly is this picture?
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Old January 21st, 2010, 12:23 PM   #2717
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In Germany there are signs like this at every autobahn crossing the watersheds of Mediterranean and Northern Sea. If there are street views of German autobahns in Google you can find all these signs.

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Old January 21st, 2010, 06:05 PM   #2718
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that's so cool
in HR we don't have such signs, although we have one such border on motorways between Adriatic (Mediteranean) and Blacksea watershed (in tunnel Mala Kapela )
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Old January 21st, 2010, 08:09 PM   #2719
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I found the speed limit here is quite dumb..
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=5...89.48,,0,-4.64

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Old January 21st, 2010, 08:18 PM   #2720
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That is 110.

Electronic signs are hard to photograph.

110 was until recently the highest speed limit in Sweden (and also Denmark). Sweden is now experimenting with 120 km/h on several Motorvägar, and the Danish general Motorvej speed limit is now 130 km/h, although many 110 km/h sections still exist.

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