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Old December 1st, 2010, 08:38 PM   #3741
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I did not.

That story is so sad. Governments of UA and SR might do a decision quickly. I have never heard if they would like to deal with it. People might vote in village to choose in which state their village will be. I think they will choose Slovakia, lol.

Btw, a bit OT - do you speak Polish?
the village can stay where it is but they should allow ppl to visit each others with an ID
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Old December 1st, 2010, 08:39 PM   #3742
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i dont want 1min trailer but entire film.
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Old December 1st, 2010, 11:38 PM   #3743
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the village can stay where it is but they should allow ppl to visit each others with an ID
I have seen the trailer for this and want to watch the full legnth film as well. I think it would be a great documentary to watch. Maybe once I watch the movie I can understand why the border was drawn through the middle and not around it. From what I've read the people of both villages have had their nationality changed numerous times (not their choice of course) while living in the same place their whole life.
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Old December 1st, 2010, 11:47 PM   #3744
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That village was part of Austria-Hungary until 1918 (in the Hungarian Kingdom for centuries), then Czechoslovakia and then Ukraine (part of the USSR until 1991).
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 12:09 AM   #3745
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That village was part of Austria-Hungary until 1918 (in the Hungarian Kingdom for centuries), then Czechoslovakia and then Ukraine (part of the USSR until 1991).
Not being familiar with Borders. Especially border changes, who decides where to drawn the line through these villages and do they not understand they are dividing communities or do they not care?
Isn't there a similar situation on the LT/BY border with Norviliškės?
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 12:54 AM   #3746
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This photo impressed and touched me a lot. It shows people praying together at the Lithuanian-Bielorussian border. They are Polish and are praying in Polish. Before 1939 both sides of the border belonged to Poland. Now it is the border of the NATO and the European Union.

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Old December 2nd, 2010, 01:16 AM   #3747
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It is so crazy how Polish border was changing all the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Polish_Republic
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 05:58 PM   #3748
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This photo impressed and touched me a lot. It shows people praying together at the Lithuanian-Bielorussian border. They are Polish and are praying in Polish. Before 1939 both sides of the border belonged to Poland. Now it is the border of the NATO and the European Union.
I didnīt know that NATO borders with EU
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 09:22 PM   #3749
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No, it's the same border. EU countries are NATO countries, as far as I know...
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 09:29 PM   #3750
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Not all EU countries are NATO countries:



It's nearly though.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 01:56 PM   #3751
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...From what I've read the people of both villages have had their nationality changed numerous times (not their choice of course) while living in the same place their whole life.
The similar thing is in Serbia. I was born in Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia and since then I was living in Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, Serbia and Montenegro and in Republic of Serbia, and I actually changed only one apartament, like 1 km from each other...
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 02:40 PM   #3752
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and my grandfather

Kingdom of SHS
Kingdom Yugoslavia
NDH
FNRJ
SFRJ
SR BiH
RS
BiH
and never changed his house
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 04:38 PM   #3753
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What happens in the instance when a country divides or changes name or a territory is handed to another country? Do they document the residents and issue new indentity papers/cards? So many questions I have because I've never really given it thought on the process.
Borders are static in North America so I couldn't imagine living in the USA one day and wake up the next and there is a border next to my home and I am no longer a US citizen but a resident of another country.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 06:20 PM   #3754
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What happens in the instance when a country divides or changes name or a territory is handed to another country? Do they document the residents and issue new indentity papers/cards? So many questions I have because I've never really given it thought on the process.
Borders are static in North America so I couldn't imagine living in the USA one day and wake up the next and there is a border next to my home and I am no longer a US citizen but a resident of another country.
There are two opportunities according to international law:
- all the population that lives in the territory of the new state (the state that acquired the land) remains in this state and all of the people became its citizens - this is called TRANSFER;
- the population in the new state has the right to choose - either to remain where they are and to become citizens of the new state, or to retain their citizenship and to emigrate to their old country - this is called OPTION. In this case the people that changed their citizenship can keep their old citizenship or not (this has to be dealt with an international treaty).

Both were practices after the First world war - I do not know what is the specific case here.
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 06:30 PM   #3755
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A new border crossing between Poland and Russia commenced operations today. It's the Grzechotki border crossing, at the end of the S22 1x2 expressway, which was completed in 2008.
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yes you get new documents because your state changed or disappeared.







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Old December 3rd, 2010, 07:01 PM   #3757
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A new border crossing between Poland and Russia commenced operations today. It's the Grzechotki border crossing, at the end of the S22 1x2 expressway, which was completed in 2008.
What does this connect to on the Russian side? I've been checking the maps and it looks like the S22 being a new road connects to what we call here a "trunk road" or township road.
I think I read once there was supposed to be a motorway built from Kaliningrad to this crossing. Has it been built and google earth image is old or is it planned to be built to connect with S22 in the future?
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 07:19 PM   #3758
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It was build in half-profile all way long down to Kaliningrad. As for the time being, Polish section is grade separated 1x2, while Russian one 1x2 without grade separated interchanges( because many viaducts were demolished after WW2)
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Old December 3rd, 2010, 07:32 PM   #3759
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What does this connect to on the Russian side? I've been checking the maps and it looks like the S22 being a new road connects to what we call here a "trunk road" or township road.
I think I read once there was supposed to be a motorway built from Kaliningrad to this crossing. Has it been built and google earth image is old or is it planned to be built to connect with S22 in the future?
At one of the russian site it is marked as T-83:

road Elbąg - Калинингра́д at yandex.ru

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Old December 3rd, 2010, 10:00 PM   #3760
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This is the newest border crossing between Poland and Russia. I personally doubt if it is necessary - the Kaliningrad Oblast is very tiny (less than 1 million inhabitants) and economically backward and this border crossing will never be used for transit between Poland and the Baltic states as Russia is not (and will never be) a member of NATO and the UE.
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