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Old December 3rd, 2010, 10:07 PM   #3761
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I dont know what is with people and NATO, what NATO has to do with border crossings?

And knowing polish and Russian bureaucracy i think the crossing is just perfect and fits needs.
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Old December 4th, 2010, 12:30 AM   #3762
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I dont know what is with people and NATO, what NATO has to do with border crossings?
His lack of understanding what is NATO and what is EU and how they are related (or not). Some people throw words in just to look smarter...

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And knowing polish and Russian bureaucracy i think the crossing is just perfect and fits needs.
Knowing Russian bureaucracy, I would say that there will still be long lines at the border, no matter how fancy or large the border crossing is As for the WB's statement that the Kaliningrad region is small, backward and less populated, I disagree. It may be small, but Kaliningrad residents are very mobile (due to their location, I guess), so I expect to see this border crossing being very busy. I am from there myself
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Old December 4th, 2010, 06:02 AM   #3763
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and my grandfather

Kingdom of SHS
Kingdom Yugoslavia
NDH
FNRJ
SFRJ
SR BiH
RS
BiH
and never changed his house

my grandpa was born in 1908 so Bosnia was still part of Austria-Hungary. & then add all of the above. He died in 1993 b4 he had a chance to move to USA with the rest of his family.
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Old December 4th, 2010, 09:51 AM   #3764
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Nowadays- Slovakia





1000 - Uhorsko / Hungarian kingdom
1918 - Republic of Czechoslovakia *
1920 - Czechoslovak Republic (ČSR), or Czechoslovakia * - these two are called the first CSR
1938 - Slovenský štát (Slovak (clerofascist ) state without southern regions)
1945 - Czechoslovakia (without Carpathian Ruthenia)
1960 - Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (ČSSR)
1990 - Czechoslovak Federative Republic (Czech version) and Czecho-Slovak Federative Republic (Slovak version).
1993 - The Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic. Two different countries.

It is even more complicated but let it be





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Old December 4th, 2010, 11:06 AM   #3765
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that is not complicated it is the same thing but variation.
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Old December 6th, 2010, 05:10 AM   #3766
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Some interesting border changes between France and Italy. Probably most people here didn't know it, but in 1947 France annexed several hundred km² of Italian land as a compensation for Mussolini's invasion of France in 1940, including several villages that were Italian before 1947. As a result the Franco-Italian border changed on several points between the Mediterranean and Savoy.

Here is one example between Menton and Ventimiglia on the French and Italian Riviera where the inland border was pushed 4 km into formerly Italian territory. The border between France (north) and Italy (south) before 1947 was at point A, and then in 1947 it was pushed to point B.

[img]http://i51.************/332vubt.png[/img]

This is where the border was located before 1947 (point A):
[img]http://i51.************/e84sci.png[/img]

The building on the roadside by the old border still bears the inscription "Caserne des douanes" ("Customs barracks"):
[img]http://i54.************/10dbdwl.jpg[/img]

We're now driving in what was fully Italian territory before 1947. The building above the road in the background is the train station of the Italian village of Piena (now the French village of Piène-Basse):
[img]http://i55.************/2n1e0b7.png[/img]

Across the annexed area towards the new border. The Italian village of Libri was annexed in 1947 and has now become the French village of Libre:
[img]http://i52.************/33uvex4.png[/img]

Still driving towards the new border. No doubt, we're on the Riviera (French or Italian, as the political fortunes ebb and flow):
[img]http://i52.************/zvbng2.jpg[/img]

After about 4 km, we finally arrive at the new border between France and Italy (point B):
[img]http://i55.************/35hh6jo.png[/img]

[img]http://i56.************/6xxceh.png[/img]

A plaque above the railway line showing the exact location of the border since 1947:
[img]http://i55.************/308wn5t.jpg[/img]

Yes, we're now in Italy! Till the next invasion.
[img]http://i51.************/303fsrs.png[/img]

L'Italia eterna! (well, an eternity that is only 63-year-old)
[img]http://i51.************/2h2f48n.png[/img]

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Old December 6th, 2010, 11:20 AM   #3767
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As a result the Franco-Italian border changed on several points between the Mediterranean and Savoy.
I have been traveling Ventimiglia-Nice with train. It's the most scenic and beautiful route in the world. Lots of tunnels.

Some say it's annoying and tiring to drive through those tunnels all the time.
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Old December 6th, 2010, 05:19 PM   #3768
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I have been traveling Ventimiglia-Nice with train. It's the most scenic and beautiful route in the world. Lots of tunnels.

Some say it's annoying and tiring to drive through those tunnels all the time.
I agree...I was in that area in 1990 and 1995 and the drive between those 2 cities is quite breathtaking....best as a passenger.

IIRC, there is a town, further north than where the photos were taken, called Saorge which was part of Italy until 1946/47...I was there in 1995 and was told that the area had a plebecite after the war and they decided to be part of France as their road connections to Italy were often cut off in the winter (pre-tunnel).
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No, Saorge was already part of France before 1947. It was largely destroyed by the Germans in 1944.
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Old December 8th, 2010, 09:29 PM   #3770
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My old Ford Sierra at Vaalimaa/Torfjanovka border crossing Finland-Russia, Aug 14 2001

It was a wreck when I bought it and it didn't look better on the way back.

It took about 6-7 hours to pass through customs, lots of paper work, no Schengen here.
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Old December 9th, 2010, 04:16 PM   #3771
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My old Ford Sierra at Vaalimaa/Torfjanovka border crossing Finland-Russia, Aug 14 2001

It was a wreck when I bought it and it didn't look better on the way back.

It took about 6-7 hours to pass through customs, lots of paper work, no Schengen here.
7 hours! What does one do to pass the time? If Canada had a 7 hour wait I'd never drive to Canada EVER!
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Old December 9th, 2010, 04:53 PM   #3772
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7 hours! What does one do to pass the time? If Canada had a 7 hour wait I'd never drive to Canada EVER!
Well let put it this way, Be happy to drive a car and wait 7 hours, if you're a truckdriver you could be stuck for a week!!

The time for waiting was due to understaffed customs on the russian side. Russia means burocracy, you have to have your car searched, fill in customs declaration, what you bring to russia: that means amount of money, specify every object in your suitcase. You have to certify that you take your car with you when leave the country.

maybe its easier nowadays. btw at the estonian border at narva/ivangorod this process went much faster
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Old December 9th, 2010, 06:48 PM   #3773
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Well let put it this way, Be happy to drive a car and wait 7 hours, if you're a truckdriver you could be stuck for a week!!

The time for waiting was due to understaffed customs on the russian side. Russia means burocracy, you have to have your car searched, fill in customs declaration, what you bring to russia: that means amount of money, specify every object in your suitcase. You have to certify that you take your car with you when leave the country.

maybe its easier nowadays. btw at the estonian border at narva/ivangorod this process went much faster
I've heard this is the case with other Russian crossings as of recent. I've seen youtube videos as well of Km after Km of trucks in queue for crossing.
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Old December 9th, 2010, 07:46 PM   #3774
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I've heard this is the case with other Russian crossings as of recent. I've seen youtube videos as well of Km after Km of trucks in queue for crossing.
Yes, the border crossing looked like a camping-site, truckers cooking, smoking cigarettes, relaxing and playing soccer while waiting to get through.

One more thing: If you have a russian registered car and wants to enter Finland you have to take it to a certain auto-inspection. If the car does not fullfill the finnish standard of condition you will be denied entrance.

Why is this procedure necessary? Don't they have auto inspection in Russia?

Yes they have, but the russian auto inspection is corrupt, if you have a truck without brakes it's cheaper to bribe the inspector than to have the brakes fixed.

You probably could compare the Finland-Russia border crossing to the US-Mexico one, that is a border between two very different types of nations, which means a major risk for contraband. The difference as far as I know is that the US-Mexico customs is much more developed
highly efficient and well organized.

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Old December 11th, 2010, 11:37 PM   #3775
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An external EU border, at last Saturday:

Italy - San Marino
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Old December 11th, 2010, 11:58 PM   #3776
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that is not complicated it is the same thing but variation.
You might think but for foreign people it is.

Cezch Republic was part of Germany during WW2 and Slovakia didn't have southern regions. Then also Polish took us land with about 30 villages then after WW2 we lost big part of country (Carpathian Ruthenia - thanks God we lost it) and we had southern regions again. Then there was a communism but a bit different then Russians came in 68 and we became to be controled by Moscow. Strange things were happening.
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Old December 12th, 2010, 10:32 AM   #3777
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Old December 12th, 2010, 06:26 PM   #3778
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I am foreign people
Good for you. You are not like the most of them who think that Slovakia is in Cezchoslovakia or that Slovakia has a beautifle sea!

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Old December 12th, 2010, 07:58 PM   #3779
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That's not a big issue. I met a foreigner(European) who was 100% certain that tigers and lions walk freely in Poland*.

*Poland-medium size country in Europe, just North of Slovakia
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Yes, the border crossing looked like a camping-site, truckers cooking, smoking cigarettes, relaxing and playing soccer while waiting to get through.

One more thing: If you have a russian registered car and wants to enter Finland you have to take it to a certain auto-inspection. If the car does not fullfill the finnish standard of condition you will be denied entrance.

Why is this procedure necessary? Don't they have auto inspection in Russia?

Yes they have, but the russian auto inspection is corrupt, if you have a truck without brakes it's cheaper to bribe the inspector than to have the brakes fixed.

You probably could compare the Finland-Russia border crossing to the US-Mexico one, that is a border between two very different types of nations, which means a major risk for contraband. The difference as far as I know is that the US-Mexico customs is much more developed
highly efficient and well organized.
I can imagine it could be compared to the Mexico-US border. I've never crossed that border and probably never will. Mexico is the last place on Earth I desire to go to! I would gladly cross Russia-Finland border though I'm sure taking my US registered car into Russia could be a bit of a nightmare.
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