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Old February 4th, 2011, 12:48 AM   #4041
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Last pictures taken yesterday (Jan. 18) of the Franco-Brazilian bridge over the Oyapock River. The new date set for inauguration is sometime this Spring.

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Old February 4th, 2011, 03:21 AM   #4042
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Here they are: http://www.policija.si/index.php/com...rticle/119/526

Yes, many. Some can be crossed by citizens of EU, EEA, Switzerland, and Croatia.
Many thanks.

Looking at that list, is it correct to say that "International" and "Interstate" crossings are for EU/EEA/CH/HR citizens (lists a/b) while list c is only for Slovenian and Croatian citizens?

Those small ones look far more interesting than the larger ones!

An interesting observation is just how uniform these "local" border crossings are - nearly all of them look to be identical.
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Old February 4th, 2011, 04:45 AM   #4043
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International border crossings may be crossed by anyone, "interstate" BCs by citizens of EU, EEA, CH, HR, while local BCs only by SLO and HR citizens, but only those living close to them.
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Old February 4th, 2011, 12:27 PM   #4044
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They are saying that there shouldn't be a border and by "Galiza livre" it is an exclamation, basically they are saying that it should be Portuguese. Galiza is the Portuguese spelling. There's a photo somewhere that says "ESPANHA 1KM" and some one wrote on top "NÃO É ESPANHA, É GALIZA" ("its not Spain, it's Galicia")

There are also graffiti saying, in Galician, "Galiza nom é espanha" (Galicia isn't spain)
Like at the Brennerpass between Austria and Italy, some years ago there was a sign reading "Suedtirol ist nicht Italien" (South Tyrol is not Italy)... I don't know if it is still there.
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Old February 4th, 2011, 10:22 PM   #4045
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They are saying that there shouldn't be a border and by "Galiza livre" it is an exclamation, basically they are saying that it should be Portuguese. Galiza is the Portuguese spelling. There's a photo somewhere that says "ESPANHA 1KM" and some one wrote on top "NÃO É ESPANHA, É GALIZA" ("its not Spain, it's Galicia")

There are also graffiti saying, in Galician, "Galiza nom é espanha" (Galicia isn't spain)
Galiza is portuguese spelling for Galicia, but it's also galician language spelling for Galicia as used by the more radical galician separatists (the non separatist galician speakers use Galicia instead). They usually mean that they want to be free, an independent state, not part of Spain or Portugal.


Very interesting the 2 photos with the unpaved road after entering Spain from a paved portuguese road. Could you please tell me where were they taken?
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Old February 4th, 2011, 10:55 PM   #4046
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I think, though, that that might have been written by a Portuguese person, especially as "Fronteira" was crossed out.

I don't think that any Galician in their right mind would want to be Portugese to be honest . Their salaries would drop by half.

The border with a Spanish dirt track with the "Portugal" sign is between Guadramil and Riomanzanas.

http://historiasdaraia.blogspot.com/...omanzanas.html

I'm trying to find the the other one.

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I found it, its between Fóios and Navasfrías,

http://historiasdaraia.blogspot.com/...avasfrias.html
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Old February 4th, 2011, 11:43 PM   #4047
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International border crossings may be crossed by anyone, "interstate" BCs by citizens of EU, EEA, CH, HR, while local BCs only by SLO and HR citizens, but only those living close to them.
How should I know, as tourist who does not understand any Croatian or Slovenian that a border crossing is only for local people? How is it signed, is it signed anyway?
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Old February 5th, 2011, 12:55 AM   #4048
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How should I know, as tourist who does not understand any Croatian or Slovenian that a border crossing is only for local people? How is it signed, is it signed anyway?
They send you back. Otherwise it's signed in Slovenian like this:


http://www.policija.si/images/storie..._Brezovica.jpg

"mejni prehod za obmejni promet" = border crossing for frontier (local) traffic
"Brezovica" is its name
"gibanje omejeno" = movement limited
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Old February 5th, 2011, 01:13 PM   #4049
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Well, I do understand a bit Slovenian, but on the route to the borders I cannot remember any of those signs. I remember a sign to Brezovica pri Gradinu (with SLO-oval) in Istria, but without notice that it should only be for locals.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 02:11 PM   #4050
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International border crossings may be crossed by anyone, "interstate" BCs by citizens of EU, EEA, CH, HR, while local BCs only by SLO and HR citizens, but only those living close to them.
Is it true that on international and interstate border crossing with Croatia there is no need to use a passport and just EU ID would be enough?
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Old February 5th, 2011, 02:53 PM   #4051
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Is it true that on international and interstate border crossing with Croatia there is no need to use a passport and just EU ID would be enough?
yes. EU citizens can enter HR without passports, with ID card.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 03:31 PM   #4052
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Well, I do understand a bit Slovenian, but on the route to the borders I cannot remember any of those signs. I remember a sign to Brezovica pri Gradinu (with SLO-oval) in Istria, but without notice that it should only be for locals.
Well, you can't have these signs everywhere, it would be too much information. Generally you should know where you can cross the border (because you have to know you can't cross it everywhere) and if you make a mistake, it's just a few kms to get back on track.
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In 2003 we weren't allowed to cross the border from Slovenia to Austria at Cankova/Zelting, here:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=4...13937&t=h&z=17

So we had to go to the international border crossing Gederovci/Sicheldorf a few km away.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 04:35 PM   #4054
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What's the advantage in having some border crossing only for HR-SL citizens and not other nationalities?
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What's the advantage in having some border crossing only for HR-SL citizens and not other nationalities?
people often own some immovables on the other side of border (as a result of living in the same country in the past).
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Not only because of that, but also to increase frontier mobility. We used to have such border crossings also with other neighbors before entry into Schengen.

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In 2003 we weren't allowed to cross the border from Slovenia to Austria at Cankova/Zelting, here:

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=4...13937&t=h&z=17

So we had to go to the international border crossing Gederovci/Sicheldorf a few km away.
Me too. This road seems to be not so unimportant on maps, so I thought it was allowed at least for Slovenes and Austrians, but it was only for locals. It shortens your travelling for 11 km compared to Slovenia-only roads, if you're going to Maribor.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 08:11 PM   #4057
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What's the advantage in having some border crossing only for HR-SL citizens and not other nationalities?
Only for local people, not only for HR-SLO citizens in general, and not necessarily because they were once part of YU.
Before Schengen, it was the same on the border between Italy and Slovenia, in the surroundings of Trieste and Gorizia, where people are Slovenian-speaking on both sides of the border. People have land to take care of on both sides (once in the same country, Austria-Hungary). You were allowed to cross the border only with a special permit, only given to local residents, and keeping in mind that those small border checks used to close at a certain time during the evening.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 09:05 PM   #4058
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Likely the most important local border crossing on the Slovenian border used to be on the main street connecting Nova Gorica with Italian Gorizia:


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/39811866 by Sergio81
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Old February 5th, 2011, 10:33 PM   #4059
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They are saying that there shouldn't be a border and by "Galiza livre" it is an exclamation, basically they are saying that it should be Portuguese. Galiza is the Portuguese spelling. There's a photo somewhere that says "ESPANHA 1KM" and some one wrote on top "NÃO É ESPANHA, É GALIZA" ("its not Spain, it's Galicia")

There are also graffiti saying, in Galician, "Galiza nom é espanha" (Galicia isn't spain)
It's a small minority of the Galician people who think like that. You have as a biggest proof that the most pro-Spain party, the "Popular Party" is the one that rules in the region of Galicia with a vast majority. The second party is the socialist one, and the last one, with an enormous difference is the nacionalistic one, which represents around a 10% of the Galician population. People can say whatever they want, my neighbors by the way, considered my small neighbourhood in Florence, in Italy, an independent Asian nation due to the huge number of Chinese people who lived there. But that does not mean anything. With this I want to show that sometimes ridiculous actions are carried out by bored people.
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Old February 5th, 2011, 10:38 PM   #4060
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I don't get what they're trying to say. In the one with "fronteira" crossed out, are they saying "this shouldn't be a border - we want to be part of Portugal," or objecting to the Portuguese spelling of "fronteira"? I can't make up what's going on in the sign in the photo above that - I can see that they're trying to change the spelling of Galicia, but what are they changing it to - Galiza? And in the bottom sign, is it "Galiza livre" or "Galiza [part of] Portugal livre"?
Regarding Olivenza, I can assure you that people from there do not want to become Portuguese. My mom for instance, who is from Olivenza, gets very angry everytime someone calls her Portuguese, and the same with the big majority of the population. They don't get angry because they don't like Portugal, but because in the rest of the region of Extremadura for example, people joke about this with them and Portugal tries to retake their city, therefore they are a bit tired. Being called Portuguese is even an insult. I can demostrate you this very easily. When the association which intends to make Olivenza a part of Portugal (Amigos de Olivença) arrived in the city, they were kicked out and its president declared "Persona non grata" by the socialist mayor Ramón Rocha Maqueda, with the support of the population. Regarding the language, old people speak a kind "Rayano" dialect (which is a mixture between Spanish and Portuguese), but they don't want to become Portuguese people. Young people don't even speak Portuguese...
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