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Old February 5th, 2011, 11:13 PM   #4061
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If I was from Olivença or Galicia, I wouldn't want to be Portuguese either
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Old February 5th, 2011, 11:28 PM   #4062
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Likely the most important local border crossing on the Slovenian border used to be on the main street connecting Nova Gorica with Italian Gorizia:
after schengen opening, italians made only one side parking on the street which continues in Italy, before there used to be both sides parking because of the low traffic.
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Old February 6th, 2011, 04:47 AM   #4063
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Old February 6th, 2011, 11:02 AM   #4064
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Here are some Portuguese-Spanish border crossings.

There are some widely circulated photos of a road getting significantly smaller when going from Spain into Portugal















P.S, I found one thats even worse than the two above.

Picture was taken in Portugal


These european borders look like third world
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Old February 6th, 2011, 12:24 PM   #4065
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These european borders look like third world
That's maybe because they are located in the third World....


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Old February 6th, 2011, 04:39 PM   #4066
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Well, that is why I posted them
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Old February 6th, 2011, 06:21 PM   #4067
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These european borders look like third world
Based on what? Do you think all roads in Europe should be paved, including all local and forest roads? We're talking about millions of kms here.
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Old February 6th, 2011, 07:24 PM   #4068
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Some more from the Spanish-Portuguese border, again all from the blog "Histórias da Raia"

Amareleja (warmest place in Portugal, beats its own records a lot) (P)/Valencia de Mombuey (E)



Lajeosa da Raia (P)/Navasfrías (E)





Sendim/Baltar

What is strange about this crossing, is that the Spanish 12 star sign is "behind" the Portuguese one with "Galiza não é Espanha" (that in itself is a bit strange) over it. In other words, they kinda overlap. I'm sure that the petrol station must be in Spain though, it wouldn't make much sense for it to be in Portugal.







Retiro (P)/Badajoz (E)



Note the other side of the old "Portugal" sign





Now for a major crossing:

Elvas (P) / Badajoz (E)





Now back to Northern Portugal, this is the most Easterly point of Portugal

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Old February 7th, 2011, 02:53 AM   #4069
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That's maybe because they are located in the third World....


But maybe we should add France to the group too...

La Vajol (Spain) - Las Super Lilas (France) border crossing (it's a few kms direction Andorra from the AP7-A9 border crossing).

A nice paved spanish road gives pass to an unpaved french road on very bad shape. Pavement returns just after 1.5 kms into France. French goverment has been promising to pave the road for 10 years now... it seems (according to local newspapers) that they will finally do it this year.



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Old February 8th, 2011, 12:31 PM   #4070
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Since these spots are within the Schengen EU area, these are not exactly borders per-se but more inter-states crossing.
I was looking at these spots on Google Earth, and was wondering why inter-EU states borders are shown in large, yellow lines. The inner Schengen area should technically be a thinner line and only the actual EU borders (in blue) should have the regular large yellow one..



Oh well... these are my two cents
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Old February 8th, 2011, 04:57 PM   #4071
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Thank you all for your responses - I can now plan this summer's trip a bit better!

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How should I know, as tourist who does not understand any Croatian or Slovenian that a border crossing is only for local people? How is it signed, is it signed anyway?
Is it actually enforced?

One final question for now!

I was in Kudowa at the weekend (on the PL/CZ border). Does anyone know about the history of the border crossing at Czermna (this one! - http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2490/...792b37f1.jpg)? And also - any idea why it hasn't been opened up for cars? The distance between Mala Cermna and Czermna by road must be around 15-20km.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 04:58 PM   #4072
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Since these spots are within the Schengen EU area, these are not exactly borders per-se but more inter-states crossing.
I was looking at these spots on Google Earth, and was wondering why inter-EU states borders are shown in large, yellow lines. The inner Schengen area should technically be a thinner line and only the actual EU borders (in blue) should have the regular large yellow one..



Oh well... these are my two cents
No, because neither EU nor Schengen Area are countries (and will never be IMO). Also, why is there still a border drawn between Ireland and the UK (Northern Ireland)?

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Is it actually enforced?
Yes, it is.

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Old February 8th, 2011, 05:55 PM   #4073
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Also, why is there still a border drawn between Ireland and the UK (Northern Ireland)?
I thought Ireland was a Schengen-country. It's strange that Switserland and Norway are in the Schengen zone, but Ireland and the uk are not.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 06:04 PM   #4074
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If the Republic of Ireland joined the Schengen agreement, it would have to abandon the Common Travel Area with the UK and impose controls on the border with Northern Ireland.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 06:35 PM   #4075
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True, Ireland will gladly join but not while the UK is outside because we want the Northern Irish border to be open.

If Northern Ireland had some opt-out within the UK to join Schengen that would work. Can't see that happening though.

The thing is the Common travel area is totally unofficial and inconsistent anyway. Everyone goes through passport control at Dublin airport but going the other way Irish flights to the UK are treated like domestic ones in their airports. Plus there's no official common visa rules etc. So even though someone can cross the border no problem a non-EEA citizen is supposed to get two visas to do that (hence the border line on that map). In practice though...

The UK is against fully joining the Schengen area because it thinks it is better placed to control its own borders, being island based. Can understand that point of view. Didn't stop Iceland joining though.

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Old February 8th, 2011, 06:50 PM   #4076
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Didn't stop Iceland joining though.
Or Malta. On the other hand, I am sure a large amount of illegal immigrants will flow into the UK starting with Day 1 of its Schengen accession.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 07:49 PM   #4077
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The UK is against fully joining the Schengen area because it think's it is better placed to control its own borders, being island based.
I can't
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Old February 8th, 2011, 08:41 PM   #4078
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So even though someone can cross the border no problem a non-EEA citizen is supposed to get two visas to do that (hence the border line on that map).
Ah, you're right, I wasn't thinking of that.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 10:49 PM   #4079
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Regarding Olivenza, I can assure you that people from there do not want to become Portuguese. My mom for instance, who is from Olivenza, gets very angry everytime someone calls her Portuguese, and the same with the big majority of the population. They don't get angry because they don't like Portugal, but because in the rest of the region of Extremadura for example, people joke about this with them and Portugal tries to retake their city, therefore they are a bit tired. Being called Portuguese is even an insult. ... Regarding the language, old people speak a kind "Rayano" dialect (which is a mixture between Spanish and Portuguese), but they don't want to become Portuguese people. Young people don't even speak Portuguese...
That is sad. But things like that happened all over Europe, where assimilation processes were strong and brutal. In Spain that sadly happened under Franco.
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Old February 8th, 2011, 11:21 PM   #4080
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The border between Knokke-Heist (Belgium) and Cadzand (the Netherlands) at the northseacoast.

This is a cycling and hiking path from Cadzand to Knokke-Heist. The picture is taken from the Netherlands direction Belgium.



Right at the border lies the nature reserve 'het zwin'. This is a borderpole. My girlfriend is in Belgium, I am standing in the Netherlands, behind you see the naturereserve.

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