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Old February 12th, 2011, 12:42 AM   #4101
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Unless you don't know flags...
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Old February 12th, 2011, 12:43 AM   #4102
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I think most people cannot name at least half the countries on those flags...
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Old February 12th, 2011, 01:03 AM   #4103
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I can't identify one of them.
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Old February 12th, 2011, 01:29 AM   #4104
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I'm in the States - it's hard to keep the various permutations of Europe straight. I know there's the EU, and the Schengen area and the Eurozone and the European Council (or something like that).... Is the EEA another way of saying the Eurozone?

EDIT: Ah. Posted before you expanded your answer. Thanks.
No, the Eurozone is the collective term for the countries which use the Euro as their currency. It's usually only really used in economic contexts. The EEA is not very well-known as an organization, even in Europe. It's essentially just the EU and three countries that aren't in the EU but have to apply much of the EU's legislation in order to participate in the European single market. Switzerland is not a part of the EEA but has bilateral treaties which give it a similar arrangement. It's represented at the border in Verso's photo as 'CH' which stands for Confoederatio Helvetica, which is 'Swiss Federation' in Latin. Above it there's also EEA & EU, although the EU designation is fairly redundant, seen as all EU countries are, by default, a part of the EEA.

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Old February 12th, 2011, 01:33 AM   #4105
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I identified all of them, except the one above the Turkish flag.

Can you name the following flags on these old postcards for the post-WW2 recovery plans? Especially the 6th on the first postcard, which also appears on the other two!

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Old February 12th, 2011, 01:44 AM   #4106
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except the one above the Turkish flag.
Andorra !
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Old February 12th, 2011, 01:50 AM   #4107
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I identified all of them, except the one above the Turkish flag.

Can you name the following flags on these old postcards for the post-WW2 recovery plans? Especially the 6th on the first postcard, which also appears on the other two!
It should be Trieste Free State, if I'm not mistaken...
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Old February 12th, 2011, 02:14 AM   #4108
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I think hes tricking us! His locator thing says Trieste!
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Old February 12th, 2011, 02:30 AM   #4109
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Yes, it is the flag of the (former ) Free Territory of Trieste!

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Andorra !
Oops, sorry Andorra, I forgot about you!
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Old February 12th, 2011, 03:06 AM   #4110
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Yes, it is the flag of the (former ) Free Territory of Trieste!

Oops, sorry Andorra, I forgot about you!
Also it's easily confused with Moldova (top middle). Strange that 2 so different countries (Andorra and Turkey) should be in their own little category.
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Old February 12th, 2011, 05:13 AM   #4111
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Really? Do you happen to know how much a border guard earns in Serbia and Romania, and the average general income in the two countries?
I can imagine that they don't get salary which may let them live without taking bribes. Ok, I gave them this cash so what!? I really like romanians, come on guys, it wasn't offensive

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@ Rombi: bribe for what? For letting you cross? How is that? What did they told you?
I'm just curious, I was never the subject of a bribe request in any of the Romanian border crossings with Serbia.
You are right, Porţile de Fier (The Iron Gates) is a beautiful border crossing.
Bribe really for nothing, but it was as I remember in 2004 so before Romania enetered UE and as I I heard many things have changed in this country for better as in others(Poland as well). It was really nice young guy and he directly told me that "it gonna cost" about 10 euro. Ok.
I was in Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Czech republic, Slovakia, Lithuania, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria but such beautiful border crosing (it was night and dam was highlighted) I have never seen.
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Old February 12th, 2011, 10:00 AM   #4112
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I can imagine that they don't get salary which may let them live without taking bribes. Ok, I gave them this cash so what!? I really like romanians, come on guys, it wasn't offensive
Mine was a real question, I really don't know how high their salaries are and I was curious about it...
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Old February 12th, 2011, 10:06 AM   #4113
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This might make things a little clearer! Or....

Oy.
The Vatican's not part of Schengen?? I'm visualizing a border post at the entrance to Saint Peter's Square....
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Old February 12th, 2011, 10:17 AM   #4114
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As far as I know neither Monaco has ratified Schengen agreements.
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Old February 12th, 2011, 11:35 AM   #4115
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Mine was a real question, I really don't know how high their salaries are and I was curious about it...
In Romania the monthly wages of the customs officers is about 400-700 €. Not so much in European standards, but enough in Romanian standards. And a low salary should not be a motivation to became corrupt. Although many of them really are, especially at the Eastern and Northern border crossings with Ukraine and Moldova or the Southern border with Serbia, the main points for smuggling cheap goods into Romania, especially cigarettes.
A lot of these officers have been arrested these days, in an anti-corruption police operation started by Bucharest: see here.
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Old February 12th, 2011, 11:43 AM   #4116
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In Romania the monthly wages of the customs officers is about 400-700 €. Not so much in European standards, but enough in Romanian standards.
Thanks. But don't think that in Western Europe they can get much more. In Italy low level Guards make 15,000 a year. That's double with respect to Romanian ones, but I think cost of living in Italy is way higher.

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Of course. I wasn't implying it, corruption is unexcusable no matter what.
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Old February 12th, 2011, 11:56 AM   #4117
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Oy.
The Vatican's not part of Schengen?? I'm visualizing a border post at the entrance to Saint Peter's Square....
Yes. It isn't in Schengen, but they have they border with Italy opened so they are de facto in Schengen area..

if interested in Schengen treaty check this
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Old February 12th, 2011, 12:50 PM   #4118
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As far as I know neither Monaco has ratified Schengen agreements.
Nope, but because of the Franco-Monegasque Customs Union, Schengen agreements are also applied in Monaco.
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Old February 12th, 2011, 01:12 PM   #4119
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Nope, but because of the Franco-Monegasque Customs Union, Schengen agreements are also applied in Monaco.
There is a Customs Union even between Italy and San Marino, but it doesn't mean that San Marino IS into Schengen. What I meant is that Italy signed the agreement while San Marino, and I think Monaco, didn't, but since their ties with member countries they ACT like they're in.
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Old February 12th, 2011, 01:52 PM   #4120
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Monaco is a special case regarding Schengen Agreements, because it is considered as part of France within the Schengen area. (unlike San Marino or Vatican with Italy)
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