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Old April 1st, 2011, 09:00 PM   #4261
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The Canary Islands are GMT, but again thats if you count them. I highly doubt that there are roaming charges between the Açores, Madeira (GMT anyway) and the Canaries towards the mainland. To Penn's question, no, there are still roaming charges between countries.

I remember that when I went to Ayamonte, Andalucia, I was still covered by Vodafone Portugal, and there was a large antenna on the Portuguese side of the river (whether for mobiles or not, I'm not perfectly sure).
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Old April 1st, 2011, 09:16 PM   #4262
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I keep seeing headlines on European sites (going back years) about the EU addressing the international-roaming-charges issue. Nothing's happened yet?
There still are roaming charges in Europe, but the EU imposed the mobile carriers some maximal fees (which all the mobile carriers adopted as standard fees, nothing less). For example, if I go abroad (in another EU country), my mobile carrier will charge me like this:
  • 0.39 €/minute for making calls to any number in the EU
  • 0.15 €/minute for receiving a call
  • 0.11 € for any SMS sent

For other countries the taxes are different, ranging from 0.39 to 3.45 €/minute, depending on the country.

*To all this charges 24% VAT will apply.

How is this stuff going on in USA? If someone traveles from one state to another will he be charged extra?
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Old April 1st, 2011, 09:24 PM   #4263
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I think this is the largest border crossing in the world in terms of surface area.

Hong Kong - Shenzhen.

About 20 - 30 lanes each way, the whole facility measures 1900 by 600 meters.

north is right:
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 12:06 AM   #4264
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How is this stuff going on in USA? If someone traveles from one state to another will he be charged extra?
Say ten years ago, if you were passing a cell-phone store, they'd actually have a map in the window showing their no-roaming area. It wouldn't be based on state lines, though, but cities and their spheres of influence. (In Philadelphia, you'd have gotten southeastern Pennsylvania, much of New Jersey, Delaware....). There were long-distance charges as well. (Definitions: roaming means paying more because you yourself are outside what they define as your home area, long-distance means paying more because the phone you're calling is beyond a certain distance) I would say roaming charges in the U.S. ceased to be an issue by about 2005 (and long-distance a couple of years before that): some carrier must have stopped charging for long-distance, and later for roaming, so their competitors had to stop it as well. Since then, I don't need to worry about paying extra for a call unless I'm out of the country.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 02:21 AM   #4265
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How is this stuff going on in USA? If someone traveles from one state to another will he be charged extra?
this is not a problem here, even if you go to Alaska, Hawaii or Puerto Rico, you don't pay anything more because you are within the US
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 02:28 AM   #4266
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this is not a problem here, even if you go to Alaska, Hawaii or Puerto Rico, you don't pay anything more because you are within the US
What happens if your operator doesn't have any coverage in those areas though? Does that mean that you can't use your phone at all other than for emergency calls (as it would in Europe within your own country - roaming only works with foreign networks)?
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 03:12 AM   #4267
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The Canary Islands are GMT
The Canary Islands are in Africa.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 03:55 AM   #4268
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I think this is the largest border crossing in the world in terms of surface area.

Hong Kong - Shenzhen.

About 20 - 30 lanes each way, the whole facility measures 1900 by 600 meters.

north is right:
http://i.imgur.com/D5oGM.jpg
That's especially crazy for what could be called an internal border.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 12:23 PM   #4269
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The Canary Islands are in Africa.
But they are Spanish .

Here's a former tripoint: http://maps.google.es/maps?hl=es&ie=...08.77,,0,16.14. This was the tripoint of Castile, Aragon and Navarre, the three kingdoms that made up Spain. Today it's a regional tripoint, between Aragon, Rioja and Navarre.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 04:47 PM   #4270
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That's especially crazy for what could be called an internal border.
Yes. And the fact that they drive on the left in one part of the country and on the right in the other.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 08:31 PM   #4271
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Some pictures of today:

The border between Kanne (BE) towards Maastricht (NL) (Location)



Furthermore some pictures of the ferry (only for pedestrians and cyclists) between Eijsden (NL) and Lanaye (BE). (Location)


Sign to Lanaye, the Dutch translation "Ternaaien" is used here (Lanaye is in French-speaking Belgium).


Near the Maas-river in Eijsden. Belgium is on the other side.


Bordermarker at the Dutch side.


... and at the Belgian side.


The ferry at the Belgian side.
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Old April 2nd, 2011, 11:12 PM   #4272
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Lanaye = Ternaaien? Never knew that... You really have to know these exonyms to make the link.
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Old April 3rd, 2011, 01:25 AM   #4273
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What happens if your operator doesn't have any coverage in those areas though? Does that mean that you can't use your phone at all other than for emergency calls (as it would in Europe within your own country - roaming only works with foreign networks)?
I have T-mobile and in areas there are no T-mobile my phone goes to AT&T or Cellular One etc.... no roaming charge. In Canada it only picks up Rogers. Otherwise I have no service such as the rural mountain region of Eastern Kentucky where I grew up. When I visit there I will use friends/family's wireless networks to piggy back and I get my calls/e-mails data on my phone. Of course this only works within range of their house. It's like 3rd world sometimes.
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Old April 3rd, 2011, 02:57 AM   #4274
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Bordermarker at the Dutch side.



Do people ever steal border markers? Just wondering, so I won't be the only one
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LOL, aren't they concreted into the ground or something to prevent that?
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Old April 3rd, 2011, 09:09 AM   #4276
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I keep seeing headlines on European sites (going back years) about the EU addressing the international-roaming-charges issue. Nothing's happened yet?
Luckily, there have been made some changes as bogdymol already indicated. The maximum tariffs imposed by the EU are being implemented as we speak. During the coming summer the maximum tariffs will be reduced further. See http://ec.europa.eu/information_soci...s/index_en.htm. Next on the agenda will probably be the excessive prices for roaming mobile Internet.
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Old April 3rd, 2011, 10:36 AM   #4277
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Lanaye = Ternaaien? Never knew that... You really have to know these exonyms to make the link.
Fortunately, this sort of thing can be looked up:
http://taaladvies.net/taal/aardrijks...and/belgie.php

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Old April 3rd, 2011, 01:33 PM   #4278
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Do people ever steal border markers? Just wondering, so I won't be the only one
Moving, damaging or stealing a border marker is a crime, at least in Hungary, you can get 3 years in prison for that.
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Old April 3rd, 2011, 04:19 PM   #4279
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The Canary Islands are in Africa.
So is Madeira
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Old April 4th, 2011, 02:53 PM   #4280
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Yes but politically and culturally they are clearly European.
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