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Old July 18th, 2011, 04:08 PM   #4701
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Congrats on climbing those 768 steps. I needed some 20 minutes to get on top.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 04:37 PM   #4702
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it is forbidden to cross .. not even between romania and hungary .. the place is guarded 24 / 7 ... you can visit the tripoint take a walk around the stone in a circle of 7 metres wich is netral zone .. but all this under the observation of the guards .. if you want to take pictures , you must not include the other images of the other two countries ( in this case , you can see .. it was a magyar who took the pics ) .....

same thing aplies yto the tripoint at Rabe - Beba Veche - Kübekháza ( the tripoint between Serbia - Romania and Hungary ) but because of the good relationships especially between Serbia and Romania , the border is opene and for 2 days per year the passing thorugh that pint it is allowed ( this is happening usually in the last weekend of the month of May ).. If Serbia will pe admited in the UE and Romania will get the free movement schengen agreement , maybe in the future we will have this tripoint just a simbolic monument without having the fear to cross it

Does it means should you take a photo, it can appear only one country at the same time?
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Old July 18th, 2011, 04:39 PM   #4703
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I think it should be allowed to walk around tripoints a few metres from them. How thick do you have to be to not allow that?
) well you are allowed .. but only under the strict watch of the guards .. and i don`t think this would be very comfortable and pleasant... how do you get along on the tripoints Slovenia- Hungary-Austria or at the tripoint between you , croats and hungarians ?
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Old July 18th, 2011, 04:40 PM   #4704
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Talking about it, another historic photo.

It was taken at the border between France and Spain in the French side the 23rd October 1940.
It was on the train station of Hendaye which is just 400m away from border.

The person in the centre is F.Franco, the Spanish dictator until 1975. They were on negotiations about neutrality while world war.





Adding information.

One country... destroyed after a civil war (finished one and a half year before) couldn't entry on another war. The reason of neutrality was just logistic. It was very important to move army from Atlantic to Mediterranean, get some possitions, way to Africa, etc...

That was the reason of that meeting, between the Spanish dictator and... the "person" on the left of the image.

It was at Hendaye train station.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 04:50 PM   #4705
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Does it means should you take a photo, it can appear only one country at the same time?
yes , oficially this is the procedure , don`t know why , in my opinion is stupid .. but , from what you have seen pictures with 2 sides in the same time were made ...


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Adding information.

One country... destroyed after a civil war (finished one and a half year before) couldn't entry on another war. The reason of neutrality was just logistic. It was very important to move army from Atlantic to Mediterranean, get some possitions, way to Africa, etc...

That was the reason of that meeting, between the Spanish dictator and... the "person" on the left of the image.

It was at Hendaye train station.
magnificent pic .... if you have more photos in this context of borders please share it .... unfortunately i could not find pictures from the communist era betwen Serbia and Romania ... but i found something even better ... the opening of the Iron Gate hydroelectric power stations which not only that suplies the energy to both countries , but marked also the opening of the the second border crossing between Serbia and Romania ... the place the 2 leaders were walking is the bridge that links the two countries on Danube



this is the bridge nowdays ... you can even see the entrance in the serbian check point
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Old July 18th, 2011, 05:20 PM   #4706
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) well you are allowed .. but only under the strict watch of the guards .. and i don`t think this would be very comfortable and pleasant... how do you get along on the tripoints Slovenia- Hungary-Austria or at the tripoint between you , croats and hungarians ?
Slovenia, Hungary and Austria are all in Schengen, so no problem walking around the tripoint. When I was there, we weren't in Schengen yet, but I walked around the tripoint anyway. I don't know about this tripoint, but I think it was actually allowed to walk around the tripoint between Slovenia, Austria and Italy even before we entered Schengen. As for Slovenia-Croatia-Hungary, that tripoint isn't determined yet because of the undefined Slovenian-Croatian border. I was around there four years ago and barely got there (crap road, high grass and snakes).
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Old July 18th, 2011, 06:19 PM   #4707
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Congrats on climbing those 768 steps. I needed some 20 minutes to get on top.
I didn't take my time, but I made some stops

I started counting the steps to check if they were really 768, but trying not to get dizzy I lost the count
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Old July 18th, 2011, 06:25 PM   #4708
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I don't know about this tripoint, but I think it was actually allowed to walk around the tripoint between Slovenia, Austria and Italy even before we entered Schengen. As for Slovenia-Croatia-Hungary, that tripoint isn't determined yet because of the undefined Slovenian-Croatian border. I was around there four years ago and barely got there (crap road, high grass and snakes).
oh wow ... now i`ve seen ...that triplex .... .. it makes sense that they alowed you ... where to run ? and where to hide ? ... the view however is breath-taking ... i would like to visit at one pouint in my life ... maybe when i I shall be able to walk free in Serbia )


Italian side:


Slovenian side:


this is the new triplex monument ?





because if this is the new monumnet i would love the old one much better .. is an excelent place where you can park your horse

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Old July 18th, 2011, 07:12 PM   #4709
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The real tripoint is on the top of the mountain (last pic), those other are just symbolic monuments (new apparently, I haven't seen them before).

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i would like to visit at one pouint in my life
Highly recommended, as it's the only tripoint between Slavic, Germanic and Latin peoples. I was there over 15 years ago, should revisit.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 07:25 PM   #4710
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beeing half latin - half slav ( half romanian , half serb ) it would be really a pleasure to come and visit it ... what i`m really curoius .. how was it in the time of Jugoslavija ? how was the border delimited ? barbed wire ? guarding towers or how ?
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Old July 18th, 2011, 07:52 PM   #4711
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I doubt, since it was allowed to walk around (I think).

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As for Slovenia-Croatia-Hungary, that tripoint isn't determined yet because of the undefined Slovenian-Croatian border. I was around there four years ago and barely got there (crap road, high grass and snakes).
New photo in Panoramio! When I was there, I saw Croatian border stones, but looks like we reconquered the real tripoint.


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/52161026 by Milan48

Makes sense, given that the stone has letter 'A' and a high number, which means it's still the Slovenian-Hungarian border. If it was the Croatian-Hungarian border, the stone would have letter 'B' and a low number. But the tripoint is in river Mura right of this stone.
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Old July 18th, 2011, 08:05 PM   #4712
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I doubt, since it was allowed to walk around (I think).
I mean when Slovenia was still a state member of Yugoslavia ...

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New photo in Panoramio! When I was there, I saw Croatian border stones, but looks like we reconquered the real tripoint.

[IMG]http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/52161026.jpg[IMG]
[SIZE="1"]http://www.panoramio.com/photo/52161026 by Milan48[SIZE]

Makes sense, given that the stone has letter 'A' and a high number, which means it's still the Slovenian-Hungarian border. If it was the Croatian-Hungarian border, the stone would have letter 'B' and a low number. But the tripoint is in river Mura right of this stone.
wow .... to be honest I don`t know these kind of labels on the border stones .. very interesting .... from what these letters "A" and "B" comes from ? ( thank god at least I know what "pozor drzavna meja" means
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Old July 18th, 2011, 08:59 PM   #4713
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I mean when Slovenia was still a state member of Yugoslavia ...
Yes, Yugoslavia and Italy had many fruitful agreements from 1975 on.

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wow .... to be honest I don`t know these kind of labels on the border stones .. very interesting .... from what these letters "A" and "B" comes from ? ( thank god at least I know what "pozor drzavna meja" means
I don't know, but looks like alphabetically. Looks like the border between Hungary and the Socialist Republic of Slovenia was demarcated with border stones A1 to A653, while Hungarian-Croatian border with stones B1 to B[insert high number]. I don't know about Hungarian-Serbian border since 'C' is designation of Hungarian-Austrian border.

Here is the Hungarian-Croatian border not far from the tripoint with Slovenia (stone B10):


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/15379962 by Stropka Dávid

Hungarian-Austrian border close to the tripoint with Slovenia (C122):


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/17741404 by charlie_hu
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Old July 18th, 2011, 09:07 PM   #4714
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It is the only photo that it was saved in that interview.

Spain had finished a civil war one and a half year before, had no infraestructure, no army and no possibilities to enter on a world war.
But had a logistic situation that could change the way of the world it he allowed foreing army to enter in his territory.
This is, no participation but allowing to use the territory (easy to go from Atlantic to Mediterranean, easy to control some areas, easy to go to Africa...)
Allied block requested the official neutrality. Germany requested to use the territory.

Finnally they did nothing (was never neutral but Germany never entered in Spain).

In October 1940 there was an interview to request using the territory by German army. The interview was in the railway station of Hendaye (just closed, closed to the border).

As I said, the person in the middle of the photo is F.Franco, the Spanish dictator, making the fascist greeting.
And... on the left and looking to the centre, the person is A.Hitler, the two participants in the interview.

There are no more photos... and it is very little known about that interview. It is only known that Franco arrived later because he wanted. He could arrive on time, but made to have a delay.


It could be strange... but there are not too many photos with two cancillers in that period, less photos in the middle of a war and less photos on an interview in the border between two countries...
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Old July 18th, 2011, 09:13 PM   #4715
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very interesting Verso those delimitations stones ....... , this is the tripoint from Romania - Serbia and Bulgaria ... it is the place the the river Timok flows into the Danube ...



The stream with its many bends towards the river mouth of the river Timoc – says Ion Sandu PhD, child of these places, today head manager of The Romanian Waters from Mehedinti-, whimsical at every high flood, it used to divert from its course either to the left, either to the right, giving birth to numerous conflicts between Serbia and Bulgaria’s borders.” According to the inscription on the milestone placed on the Romanian bank, it was placed here in November 1919, after beforehand, there have been made boundary delimitations between these countries. As a separation point, “Confinium” has been defined as the crossing place between the Danube’s thalweg and Timos’s thalweg.: . (a “thalweg’ being the line that makes the deepest points from the river beds of a a stream, meet).
There have been made surveys and measurements at Timoc’s mouth, and on their ground it has been established the placement of the "Triplex Confinium” stone, which for over nine decades is known as the “peace stone”, as Stefan Garagancea, the Townhall Secretary from Pristol, plastically expressed himself ( Source : http://www.romanialibera.ro/exclusiv...ri-109584.html)





A little Romanian joke says that this is the place where you can hear the rooster singing in the morning , in 3 different languages
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The real tripoint is on the top of the mountain (last pic), those other are just symbolic monuments (new apparently, I haven't seen them before).

Highly recommended, as it's the only tripoint between Slavic, Germanic and Latin peoples. I was there over 15 years ago, should revisit.
And to be precise, Slovenes live on all three sides of the border!
The real ethnic tripoint is not an international border anymore and it lies in Pontafel/Pontebba/Tablja, which used to be an international border for centuries, between old Austria (and of course Austria-Hungary) and Italy (previously Venetian Republic).



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how was it in the time of Jugoslavija ? how was the border delimited ? barbed wire ? guarding towers or how ?
I was there last year, and it's always a good experience.
I remember my first time on that mountain, it was 1989, in September, barbed wire was still there, but it was a tradition to remove it on the second sunday of September when an event took place (and still does!), you were able to spend all three currencies on all sides, eating Pasta, Frankfurter or Cevapcici.

Now there is no barbed wire, there is a single currency and all three countries are part of the EU and Schengen.

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About the four-border at South Africa...

Here there is a picture where it tries to become clear the borders between Zimbabwe, Namibia, Botswana and Zambia.

Border is on the riverSSSS (in plural), and located in the deepest point of every river.

On the left, Namibia. On the right Zambia. Should the deepest river change one year (very possible when they are on jungle), the deepest point will change and so then, the border will change.

In my last google earth version, the direct lane Zimbabwe-Botswana crosses a little of Zambia. Maybe in the next version is direct with no borders and in the next one takes part of Namibia.



http://maps.google.es/?ll=-17.792252...84543&t=h&z=14
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Another "river trifinium border". And maybe the tripoint in water with widest rivers.

Paraguay, Brasil and Argentina. The border is in the middle of them.





Some details

There are borders Argentina-Brazil and Brazil-Paraguay but not Paraguay-Argentina (they have to cross Brazil for some kilometres).

Paraguayan city on the border is "without law". It is used as a duty free city... and later Brazilian police will check baggage. There are ferries Paraguay-Argentina (as well as there is no direct bridge) only to avoid Brazilian controls.

At Brazil and at Argentina there are airports... It is clear they do not do as at Europe where they take a treaty to build only one airport and be used by two or more countries, even with special terminals. Distance in right line between airports is only 15 km.

And... 18 km on the east of this tripoint, between Argentina and Brazil, you will find one of the most nicest place all over the world: Iguazu falls:



(there are more and more falls, this is only one pic).




P.S. Curiosity... "Iguazú" (Iguaçu at Brazil, in Portuguese) is a word in Guarani language. A language spoken before Spanish and Portuguese and keeps specially present in the country that it is not in those falls: Paraguay. In fact, country people at Paraguay spoke more Guarani than Spanish. After 1992 it is plenty official language at Paraguay.

Iguazu becomes (in Guarani) from "water" and "big"
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Old July 19th, 2011, 02:05 AM   #4719
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And to be precise, Slovenes live on all three sides of the border!
The real ethnic tripoint is not an international border anymore and it lies in Pontafel/Pontebba/Tablja, which used to be an international border for centuries, between old Austria (and of course Austria-Hungary) and Italy (previously Venetian Republic).
Ah, "Italian Carinthia". Why isn't that sign in Italian? Is there also a sign in Slovenian? Btw, is that A23 in the back?
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Another "river trifinium border". And maybe the tripoint in water with widest rivers.

Paraguay, Brasil and Argentina. The border is in the middle of them.

exactly like in the case of Bulgaria , Serbia and Romania .. nice pic
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