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Old July 19th, 2011, 10:47 AM   #4721
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Ah, "Italian Carinthia". Why isn't that sign in Italian? Is there also a sign in Slovenian? Btw, is that A23 in the back?
found it .... there two stones actually .. on on the each side of the street .. one in german ( or austrian dialect .. don`t know ) and one in italian ....unfotunnately as it seems there is no sign in slovenian due the fact that on that time Slovenia was under the Austrian Empire ... ( just an assumption )



and here is a panoramic view of the place ... pretty unkempt these days from what I see

http://www.360cities.net/image/italy...er-in-pontebba
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Old July 19th, 2011, 11:09 AM   #4722
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exactly like in the case of Bulgaria , Serbia and Romania .. nice pic


In the South American river tripoint, obviously it is impossible to put a monument in the exact point of the borders.

But at least, in the Argentinian side there is one just closed to it, remembering that crossing one river you arrive Paraguay and crossing the another one... Brazil.


International bridges are 3,5km (Argentina-Brazil) from river tripoint and 9km (Paraguay-Brazil) from river tripoint.

Cities on the border are Puerto Iguazú (translated as Port of Iguazú) in Argentina, Foz de Iguaçu at Brazil and Ciudad del Este (translated as Eastern city) at Paraguay.
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Old July 19th, 2011, 11:38 AM   #4723
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In the South American river tripoint, obviously it is impossible to put a monument in the exact point of the borders.

But at least, in the Argentinian side there is one just closed to it, remembering that crossing one river you arrive Paraguay and crossing the another one... Brazil.
Well of course it is the same in the tripoint of these countries .. who could put a monument in the middle of the Danube ? well theoretical it could be done ... but that would only slow and complicate the navigation of the ships and boats on the Danube ...
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Old July 19th, 2011, 11:50 AM   #4724
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It could be more difficult to put them just some kilometres east... in the Iguazu falls!!!!!
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Old July 19th, 2011, 11:51 AM   #4725
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yesterday night, watching a 24 hours TV news channel I noticed they put the weather report all over the world and... the "new" country did not appeared on the map.
I've requested to update its map...
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Old July 19th, 2011, 01:41 PM   #4726
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found it .... there two stones actually .. on on the each side of the street .. one in german ( or austrian dialect .. don`t know ) and one in italian ....unfotunnately as it seems there is no sign in slovenian due the fact that on that time Slovenia was under the Austrian Empire ... ( just an assumption )


and here is a panoramic view of the place ... pretty unkempt these days from what I see

http://www.360cities.net/image/italy...er-in-pontebba
interesting stuff.
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Old July 19th, 2011, 02:25 PM   #4727
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And to be precise, Slovenes live on all three sides of the border!
The real ethnic tripoint is not an international border anymore and it lies in Pontafel/Pontebba/Tablja, which used to be an international border for centuries, between old Austria (and of course Austria-Hungary) and Italy (previously Venetian Republic).



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What on Earth is the IX. Myriameter von Klagenfurt?! Some metric unit I've never heard of?
(But this is a serious question: I'm curous whether anyone knows what that means.)
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Old July 19th, 2011, 02:28 PM   #4728
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Old July 19th, 2011, 02:37 PM   #4729
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Interesting! I'd usually read IX as an ordinal* (ninth rather than nine) so I didn't know what to make of it.

*although that may be a French usage I've picked up - VIIIe arrondissement of Paris, XIXe siècle (19th century) - because I can't think of any English examples....
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It can be read also as an ordinal:
(This borderstone is placed at) the ninth myriameter from Klagenfurt.
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Old July 19th, 2011, 03:24 PM   #4731
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It can be read also as an ordinal:
(This borderstone is placed at) the ninth myriameter from Klagenfurt.
Thaks for the translation

a small article found a journey diary on net ...
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Pontebba had been the border town between Italy and Austria before the First World War. (photos 2722, 2723)

On the bridge spanning the river there are two cylindrical concrete pillars on the east side, either side of the bridge. One was in Italian, the other in German:

Kaiserthum, Oesterreich / Herzocthum, Karnten / IX 3/10 Myriameter von Klagenfurt. Grenzstein der Ehemaligen Grenze ltalien - Osterreich (bis 1918) Kronland Venedig X meilen nach Udine, Karnten XII 1/2 meilen von Klagenfurt. Lippodel Vecchio Confine ltalia - Austria ( Fino al 1918)

The west side of the town has Italian buildings; on the east side there are distinctly Austrian buildings in contrast.
really interesting .... does anyone have some pictures from the borders with the south Tyrol ? from what some friends told me , there are some very strong and radical opinions over there , regarding the fact that Tyrol is austrian ... and i`ve seen some pictures too .... exactly in this thread ...
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Old July 19th, 2011, 04:08 PM   #4732
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Pontebba is not in Tyrol, not even the South one. It is in Friuli.
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Old July 19th, 2011, 04:29 PM   #4733
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Pontebba is not in Tyrol, not even the South one. It is in Friuli.
of course that I know this ... i know where it is ... i was asking about the South Tyrol , which is now in Italia ... that is all
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Old July 19th, 2011, 04:38 PM   #4734
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South Tirol is an autonomous region in Italy, which also forms a part of Austrian Tirol. The German speaking locals do not see themselves as Italians. Tirol itself is to be divided in three different regions. North Tirol, East Tirol (both in Austria) and South Tirol (Italy). I live in North Tirol. Local newspaper Die Tiroler Tagezeitung makes no distinction in which part of Tirol is in which country, and news from any part of Tirol is listed as local news. Austrian radio is available in the whole of Tirol, and the A22 Brenner Autobahn in Italy is added in the half-hourly traffic information (as well as A8 and A93 in Germany). Our local news channel ORF Tirol includes news and updates from South Tirol, and is widely available.

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Old July 19th, 2011, 04:44 PM   #4735
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Pontebba is not in Tyrol, not even the South one. It is in Friuli.
Part of it is in Carinzia.
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Interesting! I'd usually read IX as an ordinal* (ninth rather than nine) so I didn't know what to make of it.

*although that may be a French usage I've picked up - VIIIe arrondissement of Paris, XIXe siècle (19th century) - because I can't think of any English examples....


Maybe someones from countries with Latin languages will be able to explain the case of every language.

In Spanish, for example, it is mandatory to write centuries with roman numbers. S = Siglo (century), so "SXXI" is "21st century"..
Writting a century with arabic numbers is considered as an ortographic mistake!!! and punished in an exam, for example.
And... "century" comes from Latin. (Cent = One hundred)
Take a look that in all Latin Languages One Hundred will be similar and will begin with "cent" or something similar
In Spanish is "Cien". I talked about it in the language signals thread.


Years are written in arabic numbers but until 19th century there were very used in latin numbers too. That makes any old signal or memorandum needs to translate the number of the year.
Latin numbers are explained on classed for children of 9-10 years old more or less.
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Slovenia, Hungary and Austria are all in Schengen, so no problem walking around the tripoint. When I was there, we weren't in Schengen yet, but I walked around the tripoint anyway. I don't know about this tripoint, but I think it was actually allowed to walk around the tripoint between Slovenia, Austria and Italy even before we entered Schengen. As for Slovenia-Croatia-Hungary, that tripoint isn't determined yet because of the undefined Slovenian-Croatian border. I was around there four years ago and barely got there (crap road, high grass and snakes).
This is the tripoint of Finland, Sweden, and Norway:



The tripoint is located in an unhabited area used mainly for hiking and reindeer husbandry. There is a walking path of 11 km from the tripoint to the closest road (21/E8 in Finland).

The interesting thing is that it was officially forbidden to walk around the tripoint until late 1995. There was an agreement between Norway and Finland as well as Norway and Sweden that pedestrians were allowed to cross the certain sections of the border. However, there was no such an agreement between Finland and Sweden, thus making it illegal to enter Sweden from Finland and vice versa. But entering Sweden from Finland via Norway was legal. Nobody obeyed that rule, and it was relieved in 1995. Currently, all the three countries belong the the Schengen area, and the whole problem has turned obsolete.
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Part of it is in Carinzia.
Part of what is in Carinzia? Pontebba, Tyrol or Friuli?

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Maybe someones from countries with Latin languages will be able to explain the case of every language.

In Spanish, for example, it is mandatory to write centuries with roman numbers. S = Siglo (century), so "SXXI" is "21st century"..
Writting a century with arabic numbers is considered as an ortographic mistake!!! and punished in an exam, for example.
There's no such provision in Italian, you can either write "XXI secolo" or "21º secolo", it's the same.

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South Tirol is an autonomous region in Italy, which also forms a part of Austrian Tirol. The German speaking locals do not see themselves as Italians. Tirol itself is to be divided in three different regions. North Tirol, East Tirol (both in Austria) and South Tirol (Italy). I live in North Tirol. Local newspaper Die Tiroler Tagezeitung makes no distinction in which part of Tirol is in which country, and news from any part of Tirol is listed as local news. Austrian radio is available in the whole of Tirol, and the A22 Brenner Autobahn in Italy is added in the half-hourly traffic information (as well as A8 and A93 in Germany). Our local news channel ORF Tirol includes news and updates from South Tirol, and is widely available.

thank you !!! that is what i wanted to hear ... ok I understood the attitude of those from Austria .... how are the things in the south and the attitude from the italians who are living in that zone ? because I have some some very good serbian friends moved ( not in south Tirol ) .. in north ... in Telfs and they were telling me that even today when the borders are open and movement is freer than ever , thet still suffer from the fact that South Tirol is not austrian on papers and on the geographic map .


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