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Old August 7th, 2011, 04:38 PM   #4901
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Old August 7th, 2011, 05:56 PM   #4902
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The Scottish government pays the university fees of Scottish people, and there for they have to pay the fees of non-British EU citizens, however the tuition fees for English, Northern Irish and Welsh students in Scotland is Ł9000 per annum. Its a bit unfair though
That's tuition fees though. The reason the Scottish government is allowed to discriminate against other British countries is because it's treated as the same country under EU law, so English/Welsh/Northern Irish students aren't exercising their treaty rights by moving to Scotland, whereas other EU students do. It's not limited by nationality, of course - an English student who has first spent some time living abroad, for example, would be exercising treaty rights and so would not need to pay tuition fees in Scotland. In this respect, Scottish independence (if Scotland remained part of the EU) would help to prevent this unfair discrimination of non-Scottish UK students.

It's important to note that this applies to tuition fees only. Maintenance grants, on the other hand, are generally determined by residency. Indeed, Article 24(2) of Directive 2004/38/EC (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...77:0123:EN:PDF) explicitly states that maintenance grants need not be offered before permanent residence has been established.
So for example, in the UK, if you want a research council maintenance grant for a postgraduate degree, you will need to have been resident in the UK for the preceding three years. (This applies even if you're a British citizen.) However, you're eligible for them to pay for your tuition fees if you're a national of any EEA country, regardless of residency (funding isn't guaranteed - these are merely eligibility criteria).

However, residency rules aren't always trivial; for example, here's a recent European Court of Justice ruling demonstrating how a person can become integrated and entitled to a tuition fee loan despite not having fulfilled all residency requirements: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...3J0209:EN:HTML

So as far as I understand things, the proposed Dutch solution of the coffee shop issue is perfectly legal. They want to make coffee shops members' only clubs, and restrict membership to local residents only (where 'local' really is local - it's not the entire territory of the Netherlands, or at least that was my understanding of it). That doesn't seem to me to be discriminatory at all; if you move there, you can join, and any EU citizen is allowed to move there, so there doesn't seem to me to be any discrimination based on nationality.
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Old August 7th, 2011, 07:07 PM   #4903
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Old August 8th, 2011, 01:32 AM   #4904
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On the marihuana thing;
"Officially" (in laws, documents, agreements of EU) marihuana is illegal in the Netherlands.
We only "gedogen" (tollerate) it. And I think therefore they can't punish the banning of it to EU citizens, 'cause officially it's already banned to all Dutch and Europeans

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Old August 8th, 2011, 03:09 PM   #4905
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Why the Dutch government isn't happy about tourist buying "weed" in NL but accepts if locals do it? Usually laws such traffic rules, smoking bans, minimum age to drink\smoke, environment-related laws, etc... are equal for everybody in democratic countries, doesn't matter if you are a local, if you live in another part of the country or if you came from another EU or non-EU country.
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Old August 8th, 2011, 03:15 PM   #4906
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The problem apparently is that these "tourists" bring along a lot of trouble, and drive under influence, with car chases and crashes not being uncommon. It apparently also attracts drugs runners. It's even quoted that they don't like the additional traffic, because they all come by car.
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Old August 8th, 2011, 03:25 PM   #4907
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And Schengen agreement allows tourist to bring that stuff back to their countries where is illegal.
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Old August 8th, 2011, 03:31 PM   #4908
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And Schengen agreement allows tourist to bring that stuff back to their countries where is illegal.
no, it doesn't. it is possible and easy, but not legal.
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Old August 8th, 2011, 03:49 PM   #4909
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no, it doesn't. it is possible and easy, but not legal.
I know that is illegal. But since there are no border checks between NL and neighbouring contries is practically feasible and there are little chance to be caught if you travel by car\train; it's more dangerous by plane due to anti-drug dogs that control luggage even for flights inside the same country.
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Old August 8th, 2011, 06:25 PM   #4910
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how does NL police do tests for being high while driving? here we call those markers "lollipops", but they show positive result few days after consumption. do you have somethnig else in NL or you are not supposed to drive few days after taking some ganja?
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Old August 8th, 2011, 06:30 PM   #4911
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That's the whole problem, there is no reliable test right now. They can only cite them for reckless driving or for traffic offenses.
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Old August 8th, 2011, 07:54 PM   #4912
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And Schengen agreement allows tourist to bring that stuff back to their countries where is illegal.


At Spain it is have marihuana for own consume and you can consume it only in private places (such your home and little places more... because a pub is public).

If you are found with small quantities in the pocket it is legal but you cannot smoke it in the street.
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Old August 8th, 2011, 09:13 PM   #4913
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Old August 9th, 2011, 04:34 PM   #4914
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Old August 12th, 2011, 07:01 AM   #4915
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Old August 14th, 2011, 03:34 AM   #4916
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Old August 14th, 2011, 12:37 PM   #4917
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So as far as I understand things, the proposed Dutch solution of the coffee shop issue is perfectly legal. They want to make coffee shops members' only clubs, and restrict membership to local residents only (where 'local' really is local - it's not the entire territory of the Netherlands, or at least that was my understanding of it). That doesn't seem to me to be discriminatory at all; if you move there, you can join, and any EU citizen is allowed to move there, so there doesn't seem to me to be any discrimination based on nationality.
Its just like, saying, creating club of the landlords and only a member of landlord club can be buying land in certain country... BTW, only a resident for lets say 5 or more years can become a member of landlords club in that particular country....

Doesnt seem to be discriminatory???

It clearly goes against the principals of the european treaties. Whatever else is not important. If you play with words long enough time you can make almost everything legal... however there are certain principles in the law that should be respected.


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On the marihuana thing;
"Officially" (in laws, documents, agreements of EU) marihuana is illegal in the Netherlands.
We only "gedogen" (tollerate) it. And I think therefore they can't punish the banning of it to EU citizens, 'cause officially it's already banned to all Dutch and Europeans
I guess this is more the problem... either legalize it, or make it illegal. This law - no law seems to me to be a big problem as well as police which is not willing to really act but is rather willing to tollerate.



What would be for me a clean solution, would be creating a system similar to the gun´s licences. You could buy a marihuana in coffieshop only if you were an owner of a marihuana consumption licence. Everyone would be able to obtain this licence if complying with certain conditions. Residency condition doesnt seem to me to be relevant here because buying marihuana doesnt belong to the social sector use which only can be conditioned with residency (better with migrant worker status condition).

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Old August 14th, 2011, 05:24 PM   #4918
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The problem apparently is that these "tourists" bring along a lot of trouble, and drive under influence, with car chases and crashes not being uncommon. It apparently also attracts drugs runners. It's even quoted that they don't like the additional traffic, because they all come by car.
If the trouble are foreign drivers it would be good a law that oblige foreign people to show an airline ticket and/or a train ticket.
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Old August 14th, 2011, 06:18 PM   #4919
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Its just like, saying, creating club of the landlords and only a member of landlord club can be buying land in certain country... BTW, only a resident for lets say 5 or more years can become a member of a landlords club in that particular country....

Doesnt seem to be discriminatory???

It clearly goes against the principals of the european treaties. Whatever else is not important. If you play with words long enough time you can make almost everything legal... however there are certain principals in the law that should be respected.
I think it's a matter of implementation. If you require someone to live somewhere for 5 years before they become eligible to become members of the club, then yes, that certainly sounds like discrimination. However, if all you do is require residency - say in the form of a tenancy agreement or property ownership - then it doesn't seem to me to be discriminatory. There doesn't seem to be any valid reason justifying a 5 year waiting period, so such a waiting period would indeed probably be discriminatory - but what makes you think there would be one?

(Your example of being able to buy land only if you're already a landowner is somewhat disingenuous, as of course this is how you gain residency, and so such a condition would be cyclical and obviously discriminatory.)
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