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Old August 18th, 2011, 10:16 AM   #4981
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Not officially perhaps no, but the school can change the exam board for example. That happened to me last year, and what we had to learn for the exams changed a lot.

We aren't taught for us to learn, but to pass the exams, and the exams do vary, for example one year its mainly on x, then y, then u, then p, then x then y and so forth, so what we are taught will vary, if the teachers expect for p to come up in an exam, that is what we are taught, if y comes up, well we're in trouble
Right, I understand what you mean now. I'll leave it there as we're going just a tad off topic.
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Old August 18th, 2011, 10:19 AM   #4982
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That can help us...

Not really. It would make Japan part of Europe or Britain part of Asia.
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Old August 18th, 2011, 10:25 AM   #4983
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Not really. It would make Japan part of Europe or Britain part of Asia.
Would that be a bad idea?
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Old August 18th, 2011, 10:27 AM   #4984
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Would that be a bad idea?
Would what be a bad idea?
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Old August 18th, 2011, 12:21 PM   #4985
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So does anyone know the answer to this: Can individuals own land that straddles a border? or does their property rights end where it meets the international border?

Example Hungary/Bulgaria border on Google Earth looks like the border meanders through farmlands etc.... How are these situations treated? Pay taxes to both nations?
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Old August 18th, 2011, 12:28 PM   #4986
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So does anyone know the answer to this: Can individuals own land that straddles a border? or does their property rights end where it meets the international border?

Example Hungary/Bulgaria border on Google Earth looks like the border meanders through farmlands etc.... How are these situations treated? Pay taxes to both nations?
Can you please provide a map of this border?
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Old August 18th, 2011, 03:37 PM   #4987
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So does anyone know the answer to this: Can individuals own land that straddles a border? or does their property rights end where it meets the international border?

Example Hungary/Bulgaria border on Google Earth looks like the border meanders through farmlands etc.... How are these situations treated? Pay taxes to both nations?
Maybe not on that border , but its possible indeed, there are loads of farms on the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic
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Old August 18th, 2011, 05:26 PM   #4988
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When I was in gymnasium (I think it was around 2000-2004) we also had a very old map. Romania was still bordering the Soviet Union. I now see many maps where Romania is not bordering Soviet Union anymore (but Ukraine and Rep. of Moldova), but there is a country called Yugoslavia next to us
But there are still some Romanian neighbours left. Poles cannot say the same (there's no USSR, Czechoslovakia or GDR any more). Obviously we did something really serious in 1989, so no country could survive it (Poland did, but we had to change its full name after all).

But there are bright sides too. Number of our neighbours jumped from 3 to 7.
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Old August 18th, 2011, 06:41 PM   #4989
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So does anyone know the answer to this: Can individuals own land that straddles a border? or does their property rights end where it meets the international border?

Example Hungary/Bulgaria border on Google Earth looks like the border meanders through farmlands etc.... How are these situations treated? Pay taxes to both nations?
There are people on the U.S./Canadian border who actually have the border passing through their houses. Check out Derby Line, Vermont, and Rock Island (I think is the name), Quebec, which are for all practical purposes a single town.
Also Baarle-Hertog, Belgium, and Baarle-Nassau, the Netherlands, which are an absolute mess. I know there are websites on that.
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So does anyone know the answer to this: Can individuals own land that straddles a border? or does their property rights end where it meets the international border?

Example Hungary/Bulgaria border on Google Earth looks like the border meanders through farmlands etc.... How are these situations treated? Pay taxes to both nations?
Afaik on Belgium they pay the taxes where they have the door of the house.
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Old August 18th, 2011, 08:32 PM   #4991
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There are people on the U.S./Canadian border who actually have the border passing through their houses. Check out Derby Line, Vermont, and Rock Island (I think is the name), Quebec, which are for all practical purposes a single town.
Also Baarle-Hertog, Belgium, and Baarle-Nassau, the Netherlands, which are an absolute mess. I know there are websites on that.
There is a German country lane near the border with Beek, where the houses on the side of the road are Dutch. On the other side of the road it's all fields. I guess these Dutch citizens live on a road with a German name, but their houses are in Holland.

In Maastricht there is a street where the houses on the left are Belgian, and on the right are Dutch. Dutch side: all tidy
Belgian side: a mess with overhead
power cables.

Kerkrade: Left: Dutch, right: German. It's called Nieuwstraat / Neustrasse. Road lay-out is all Dutch.
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Old August 18th, 2011, 08:43 PM   #4992
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There is a German country lane near the border with Beek, where the houses on the side of the road are Dutch. On the other side of the road it's all fields. I guess these Dutch citizens live on a road with a German name, but their houses are in Holland.

In Maastricht there is a street where the houses on the left are Belgian, and on the right are Dutch. Dutch side: all tidy
Belgian side: a mess with overhead
power cables.

Kerkrade: Left: Dutch, right: German. It's called Nieuwstraat / Neustrasse. Road lay-out is all Dutch.
This site full of border pictures (and with links to other such sites) has been around forever:

http://grenzen.150m.com/
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Old August 18th, 2011, 11:41 PM   #4993
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There are people on the U.S./Canadian border who actually have the border passing through their houses. Check out Derby Line, Vermont, and Rock Island (I think is the name), Quebec, which are for all practical purposes a single town.
Also Baarle-Hertog, Belgium, and Baarle-Nassau, the Netherlands, which are an absolute mess. I know there are websites on that.
I already know of Derby Line and areas outside of that area that border QC where properties have the border running though them and some of their homes as well as the Baarle situation in NL. I know the US and Canada allows ownership of properties on the border.

I'm curious how these situations play out in other countries and how the taxes are determined. Especially Eastern European countries.

PS: I actually have bookmarked the http://grenzen.150m.com long ago and am in LOVE with it. I can spend so much time on those sites.
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Old August 18th, 2011, 11:48 PM   #4994
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Can you please provide a map of this border?
Here are the Google maps coordinates for the area I'm referring to: 47.777117,22.528996

The border seems to just flow through farm fields
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Old August 19th, 2011, 12:34 AM   #4995
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Here are the Google maps coordinates for the area I'm referring to: 47.777117,22.528996

The border seems to just flow through farm fields
I can't see any border at those coordinates. However, in the nearby there is indeed the Romanian-Hungarian border.
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Old August 19th, 2011, 12:38 AM   #4996
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I can't see any border at those coordinates. However, in the nearby there is indeed the Romanian-Hungarian border.
Sorry about that! Try these: 47.755829,22.472162 Near Berveni, Romania
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Old August 19th, 2011, 02:50 AM   #4997
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Here are the Google maps coordinates for the area I'm referring to: 47.777117,22.528996

The border seems to just flow through farm fields


First question is...
Is the border at google really correct in the exact line?. They are used to approach a lot, but usually a little meters can change...



About what happens when your house, bar or shop is in two countries at the same time, I prefer Dutch or Belgian forumers to tell about Baarle...........
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Old August 19th, 2011, 07:13 AM   #4998
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First question is...
Is the border at google really correct in the exact line?. They are used to approach a lot, but usually a little meters can change...



About what happens when your house, bar or shop is in two countries at the same time, I prefer Dutch or Belgian forumers to tell about Baarle...........
In some instances it google is correct however in most it is not
I know enough about Baarle I feel I could write a book on it, I think most of here are well informed on Baarle.
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Old August 19th, 2011, 10:15 AM   #4999
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Google borders are far from accurate. Overall they're fairly accurate, but not on the highest zoom levels, where they're often off by meters or even tens of meters.
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I am not sure if there are some other border tunnels in Europe

A bit later...

Somport tunnel, opened in january 2004 is 8,1 km long and I posted in this thread a photo about the point of the border.

It connects the Spanish national road N-330 and French one RN-134, both of them managed by national governments.

Is is part of Way of St. James. The mountain pass of Somport is the smaller in the central Pyrenees and that one chosen by pilgrims since middle age (1.620 m over sea level)


Aragnouet-Bielsa

Opened in the early 70s, there was no alternative to cross the border there. It is between some of the highest peaks of the Pyrenees.

On last years it has been closed some months for refurbishments and dates had to be agreed with hotels, ski resorts, etc... in both sides of the border because closure impact.

There is an only entreprise for maintenance in both sides of tunnel and inside of it, of course. It is to avoid the situation of snow in one side and no problem in the other side (so tunnel closed) and upside down next week.

It connects secondary roads managed by Hautes Pyrenees department and the region of Aragon.
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