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Old September 8th, 2011, 02:32 PM   #5181
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Italy never lost Dalmatia, as Dalmatia has never been part of Italy, except the town of Zara between 1921-1943(de jure 1947).
And also some islands: Cres, Losinj, Unije, Susak, Lastovo and Palagruza.
And most of Dalmatia, including part of Montenegro was conquered by Italians in 1941.
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Old September 8th, 2011, 11:19 PM   #5182
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And also some islands: Cres, Losinj, Unije, Susak, Lastovo and Palagruza.
Right, but Cres, Losinj and Unije are historically considered part of Istria and Kvarner. Lastovo and Palagruza were the only Dalmatian islands of Italy between the two wars, even though Palagruza is little more than a rock in the middle of the sea.

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And most of Dalmatia, including part of Montenegro was conquered by Italians in 1941.
Nice, after the invasion of Yugoslavia. Even Germany invaded Poland, the Ukraine and so on, but an occupation during wartime isn't a real property.
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Old September 9th, 2011, 12:27 AM   #5183
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Nice, after the invasion of Yugoslavia. Even Germany invaded Poland, the Ukraine and so on, but an occupation during wartime isn't a real property.
True, those occupied lands were never inhabitated by Italians, unlike Istria, Western Slovenia, Kvarner and Zadar between WWI and WWII.
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Old September 9th, 2011, 04:18 AM   #5184
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This is a New Border....
The border Between Sudan and the Republic of South Sudan...



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Old September 9th, 2011, 09:37 AM   #5185
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True, those occupied lands were never inhabitated by Italians, unlike Istria, Western Slovenia, Kvarner and Zadar between WWI and WWII.
Istria was inhabited by Italians, but Western Slovenia was not.
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Old September 9th, 2011, 10:53 AM   #5186
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Istria was inhabited by Italians, but Western Slovenia was not.
Where now there is Nova Goriza inhabitants were already Slovenes before WWII?
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Old September 9th, 2011, 12:16 PM   #5187
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It was empty because it was a field then, but the region was completely Slovenian. Gorizia was mixed, but with a lot of Italians and Germans, the countryside and hills around Gorizia (Collio and Carso) and near the border (Savogna) also mostly Slovenian.
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Old September 9th, 2011, 01:31 PM   #5188
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This is a New Border....
The border Between Sudan and the Republic of South Sudan...




Fantastic!

First photo about the newest country in the world and its border.

Is it all the territory with the border pointed or just this part?

Is it possible to cross the border?
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Old September 9th, 2011, 06:22 PM   #5189
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So far the Sudans have a good relation, so I would imagine that you can cross it
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Old September 10th, 2011, 08:14 PM   #5190
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This is a New Border....
The border Between Sudan and the Republic of South Sudan...





About the Republic of South Sudan I recommend to read this blog.

http://fronterasblog.wordpress.com/2...ven-del-mundo/

The article is titled as "the youngest country in the world" and was posted last july.

It is in Spanish but with a translator it will help any translation to any language. If needed, I will try to translate it.

It talks about the first days of this new country.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 07:09 PM   #5191
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This thursday Bielsa-Aragnouet tunnel (Aragon-Midi Pyrenees at Spain-France) will close for two and a half months.

It has been closed for several years while these months for refurbisments. It was opened 40 years ago and needed works on it.
It is a 3,1 international tunnel and it is 1.821 m over sea level in the French side, being the first international tunnel in the Pyrenees (the second is the 8,1 km Somport Tunnel) and I think that the highest one in those mountains.

The dates of closure are always chosen after the summer season and before the ski season. In the border at France there is a small ski resort but most of hotels and appartments are in the Spanish side, so both of them requires the tunnel for daily trips.


The problem begins when it is official that there will be alternative traffic. It has an average of 7m wide (3m lanes and 0,5m road-shoulder) but there are points where they require to have a little narrow.

Until those parts will not be refurbished, according to current safety standards on tunnel, only one car per direction will be able to cross it.

In order to that... traffic lights are installed on each side... and the problem comes then there is a 14 minutes waiting for green light!!!




http://www.heraldo.es/noticias/huesc...ternativo.html
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Old September 11th, 2011, 07:26 PM   #5192
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14 minutes is not THAT weird... First of all, during roadworks in tunnels, the speed is generally 30 km/h or even lower. In order to get the queue away the green light needs to be some 3 or 4 minutes. Then you have to drive over 3 kilometers with 30 km/h. That takes what, 6 or 7 minutes. Together with a safety margin (you can't really back out with a truck), 14 minutes sounds rather plausible. I've seen it last year on the Simplon Pass in Switzerland as well. It's annoying but traffic levels are not really high in that region, especially in the low season.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 07:30 PM   #5193
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When there is works at Karavanke Tunnel, the interval is 30 minutes, and it is a motorway tunnel!
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Old September 11th, 2011, 08:00 PM   #5194
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Somport tunnel (8,1 km long) has a speed limits of 60 minimum and 80 maximum (and apart of road-shoulders, both lanes are separated).


The problems of Bielsa tunnel are two:

- 40 years with no limits about directions and now, because strongest requirements, they have to put alternative traffic. It will possible to use as some years ago... but not cheap!.

- There is absolutely no alternative without that tunnel. This thursday the tunnel will be closed for 2,5 months and no possibility to go between town in France and Spain in that area. Maybe about 200 km o more (in the middle of Pyrenees) to go from one corner to other.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 08:24 PM   #5195
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One of the smoothest motorway border crossings in Europe: A8 (D) -> A1 (A) near Salzburg
Summer 2011

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Old September 11th, 2011, 08:35 PM   #5196
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That's likely the busiest road border crossing in Europe. Close to 80 000 vehicles per day.
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Old September 11th, 2011, 10:00 PM   #5197
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One of the smoothest motorway border crossings in Europe: A8 (D) -> A1 (A) near Salzburg
Summer 2011

I know people that didn't even realise that they are in another country after passing by this border crossing...
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Old September 11th, 2011, 10:05 PM   #5198
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are there some ancient photos showin customs booths at Walserberg?
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Old September 11th, 2011, 10:34 PM   #5199
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Google at the first attempt gave no nice pictures with the border booths, but this should be at least as interesting, in some parts of Salzburg between 1920 and 1938 there was left hand driving! Article is in German, but i thought this could be of interest:

http://members.a1.net/vdpoe/kzg/wago109.html
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Old September 12th, 2011, 11:09 PM   #5200
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Írott-kő or Geschriebenstein is the highest mountain of the Kőszeg Mountains range, located on the border between Austria and Hungary. Its height is 884 m according to Austrian sources, whereas Hungarian references mostly mention 883 m. It is the highest mountain of Western Hungary (Transdanubia).
Its former names were Fenyőhegy and Szálkő. Its present name (Írottkő in Hungarian, Geschriebenstein in German) can be translated as written stone and is assumably derived from border stones with inscriptions between the properties of the Batthyány and Esterházy families. On the summit, there is an observation tower built in 1913. This stands exactly on the border between Austria and Hungary.
Since December 2007 the Austrian-Hungarian border can be crossed without formalities as Hungary joined the Schengen Agreement. (Wikipedia)

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