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Old November 4th, 2011, 08:30 PM   #5341
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Old November 8th, 2011, 12:31 AM   #5342
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Border between Italy and Free Territory of Trieste existed between 1947 and 1954. It was located on SS14 just after Monfalcone. Those border matched with the nowadays' border between provinces of Gorizia and Trieste. Yougoslav border was closed at all in this years.

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Old November 8th, 2011, 12:27 PM   #5343
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And one could hear machine gun every night near Gorizia
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Old November 8th, 2011, 02:55 PM   #5344
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Old November 8th, 2011, 10:39 PM   #5345
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Ten day war?
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Old November 9th, 2011, 02:32 AM   #5346
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Timor Lorosae-Indonesian Border (view from Timor Lorosae)


Border post at Batugade


Timor Lorosae-Indonesian Border (view from Indonesia)


Border post at Batugade


Both photos from wikipedia!!
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Old November 9th, 2011, 11:30 AM   #5347
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How many custom borders has Eastern Timor?

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Old November 9th, 2011, 11:44 AM   #5348
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Indonesia is an archipelago country, but I can still count 3 land borders with other countries.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 11:45 AM   #5349
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Are there actually border crossings between Indonesia and Papua New Guinea?
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Old November 9th, 2011, 12:13 PM   #5350
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According to this map, the are three streets which go from Indonesia to East Timor
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Old November 9th, 2011, 06:20 PM   #5351
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Are there actually border crossings between Indonesia and Papua New Guinea?
There's a border crossing on the northern coast, but the road doesn't lead to the rest of the countries. Pics are already in this thread somewhere.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 06:39 PM   #5352
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Old November 9th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #5353
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I know that, but machine guns? Were border guards shooting people trying to get out?
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I know that, but machine guns? Were border guards shooting people trying to get out?
Italian - Yugoslavian relations were very tense at those time because, Yugoslavia won the war and occuped Italian lands. Also the city of Trieste was occupied for around a month in 1945 and thousands of his inhabitants were deported and killed. 300k Italians had to abandon their towns that became part of YU other aroud 50k who remained were deported, tortured and killed by comunists from 1945 to 1947. The border remained close until around 1960. And yes, you could be shoted or at least arrested if you tried to cross illegally the border during titoist era. Later, relationshps between two countries became normal because new borders were accepted and Yugoslavia decided to remain neutral and not join the Warsaw pact.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 08:57 PM   #5355
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Italian - Yugoslavian relations were very tense at those time because, Yugoslavia won the war and occuped Italian lands.
Inhabited by Slovenes.

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Also the city of Trieste was occupied for around a month in 1945 and thousands of his inhabitants were deported and killed. 300k Italians had to abandon their towns that became part of YU other aroud 50k who remained were deported, tortured and killed by comunists from 1945 to 1947.
All this happened because of Italian fascist crimes in WW2. Not that I defend it, but it would be fair to at least mention them.
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Inhabited by Slovenes.
Depends were. The Istrian coast was inhabitated mostly by Italians, the interior mostly by Slovenes and Croats.

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All this happened because of Italian fascist crimes in WW2. Not that I defend it, but it would be fair to at least mention them.
Off course, war was horrible in every side. And I think everybody know about nazifascist crimes and atrocities.
Fascism also highly penalized linguistic minorances on Italian soil well before the war. Teaching Slovenian in that area, German in Alto Adige\Sudtirol and French in Aoste Valley was forbidden since 1920s.
The Balkan Hotel, the centre of Slovenian culture in Trieste, was destroyed with fire by fascists in 1920.
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Old November 9th, 2011, 11:50 PM   #5357
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The Balkan Hotel, the centre of Slovenian culture in Trieste, was destroyed with fire by fascists in 1920.
Interesting name. We usually call it Narodni dom (National Hall).
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Old November 10th, 2011, 07:27 PM   #5358
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Depends were. The Istrian coast was inhabitated mostly by Italians, the interior mostly by Slovenes and Croats.
Not again that subject.

Istrian coast was part of the Free Territory of Triest. The rest of Slovenia that Yugoslav army liberated after WW2 had practicaly no Italian inhabitants. In that area of Slovene litoral (excluding coastal Istria) lived in 1910 aproximatly 200.000 Slovenians and only some 200 Italians. Now, who was the occupier and who the liberator?!
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Old November 10th, 2011, 07:38 PM   #5359
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Austria-Hungary lost WW1 and Slovenes were punished (Austrians and Hungarians as well though) even though they defeated Italy.
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Old November 10th, 2011, 08:11 PM   #5360
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to lose a battle doesn't mean to lose the war. Austria signed the armistice when they saw they couldn't fight anymore, otherwise they would have lost much more territory than actually did.
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