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Old November 11th, 2011, 03:52 AM   #5361
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Vršič Pass in WW1.


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Old November 11th, 2011, 04:55 AM   #5362
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wow. so much traffic. poor horses.

on WWI related topic: Italy wasn't forced to enter the war, neither attacked. Italy took advantage of Austria being in a war and attacked it only to get some new territory. that's sad.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 10:51 AM   #5363
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wow. so much traffic. poor horses.

on WWI related topic: Italy wasn't forced to enter the war, neither attacked. Italy took advantage of Austria being in a war and attacked it only to get some new territory. that's sad.
It was a war. That is sad, not its motivations.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 01:35 PM   #5364
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Italy's motivations were sad aswell. Very sad!
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Old November 11th, 2011, 02:11 PM   #5365
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wow. so much traffic. poor horses.

on WWI related topic: Italy wasn't forced to enter the war, neither attacked. Italy took advantage of Austria being in a war and attacked it only to get some new territory. that's sad.
Hah, and what about the territory austria took then before from Italy, etc...

Wars are terrible and serve only small group of people. I hope we might not live to see another such coming.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 02:25 PM   #5366
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Hah, and what about the territory austria took then before from Italy, etc...
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Old November 11th, 2011, 02:50 PM   #5367
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Which ones?
The Kingdom of Italy had already reached the borders of the former Italian states in 1866...
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Old November 11th, 2011, 02:59 PM   #5368
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Kingdom of Lombardy–Venetia maybe?
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Old November 11th, 2011, 03:00 PM   #5369
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Lombardy went to Italy in 1859, Venetia in 1866...
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Old November 11th, 2011, 03:02 PM   #5370
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And before those years?...
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Old November 11th, 2011, 03:04 PM   #5371
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Italy didn't exist as State.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 03:07 PM   #5372
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But existed the territories which Austria got and didn't belong.....
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Old November 11th, 2011, 03:13 PM   #5373
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False.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 03:13 PM   #5374
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why?
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Old November 11th, 2011, 03:19 PM   #5375
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All the austrian territories belonged to Austria...

Anyway, Austria was at that time a multi-national empire, so it had Italian-speaking territories, as well as German-, Hungarian-, Czechian-, Slovakian-, Slovenian-, Romanian-, Serbian- and Croatian-.
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Even the Tuscany after invasion of 1848 belonged to Austria? If you think these territories belonged to Austria, actually you are saying Italy didn't have any right to exist, cause Italian Independence Wars were against Austria...
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Italy's motivations were sad aswell. Very sad!
There were a lot of Italian speaking people in Austria, it was a liberation war, and the motivation were no different, and no worse, than the motivation of other countries.
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All the austrian territories belonged to Austria...

Anyway, Austria was at that time a multi-national empire, so it had Italian-speaking territories, as well as German-, Hungarian-, Czechian-, Slovakian-, Slovenian-, Romanian-, Serbian- and Croatian-.
Yes, and fortunately they "belong" no more to Austria but were free to choose their own country.
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Old November 11th, 2011, 03:33 PM   #5379
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There were a lot of Italian speaking people in Austria, it was a liberation war, and the motivation were no different, and no worse, than the motivation of other countries.
Not really, other countries (Serbia, Romania) were enemies to Austria.

Italy was allied to Austria since the day before the war...

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Yes, and fortunately they "belong" no more to Austria but were free to choose their own country.
They weren't free to choose anything. Italy won the war and got some territories with an Italian majority (Trentino, souther Gorizia county, western Istria) and some territories with German or Slovenian majority (southern Tyrol, eastern Istria, northern Gorizia county, Kras/Carso, Krain/Carniola).
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Old November 11th, 2011, 04:01 PM   #5380
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Not really, other countries (Serbia, Romania) were enemies to Austria.

Italy was allied to Austria since the day before the war...
Austria violated the 1882 treaty by annexing Bosnia Hercegovina, so the treaty was null.

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They weren't free to choose anything. Italy won the war and got some territories with an Italian majority (Trentino, souther Gorizia county, western Istria) and some territories with German or Slovenian majority (southern Tyrol, eastern Istria, northern Gorizia county, Kras/Carso, Krain/Carniola).
And lost some other territories with an Italian majority, like villages in the French Alps and western Istria. So?
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