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Old December 4th, 2011, 11:18 PM   #5461
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Or Osimo Street, a Slovenian road which cuts into Italian territory with no exits.
I wonder how many such roads there are in the world. I never hear about them.
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Old December 5th, 2011, 12:05 AM   #5462
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Or Osimo Street, a Slovenian road which cuts into Italian territory with no exits.
It litteraly does cut. Slovenian part is from the right the the tree in the middle, then there's Italian one all covered by concrete, cleary visible.

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Old December 5th, 2011, 12:56 AM   #5463
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I wonder how many such roads there are in the world. I never hear about them.


At Andorra there is "half" of them.

The little village of Os de Civis is in Spain and part of the municipality located southern Andorra.
Going there is possible only with a very good off-road car on summer, trekking (even mountaining), helicopter... or crossing the country of Andorra.

Entering Andorra is special. They require the same documentation than for any other country. This is... for a Spanish or French citizen (it has borders with both countries) it is enough with the ID card, no need the passport.
But... for a non EU citizen they apply the normal documentation for all non-EU countries.
There are not too many passport controls in the border. In fact one summer I crossed the border several times and never asked for passport but... coming back to Spain ALWAYS baggage control (Andorra is a full duty free country and you have to declare anything you buy).

But... should a citizen requires a Visa to enter Schengen territory, they need a Visa to exit it for entering Andorra. In fact, it is not Schengen territory. There are not too many cases... but the police at the border have the full list of documents that may require to any citizen.

There is a treaty with Spain for allowing any emergency vehicle for three kilometres in the main road CG-1 (there are four "main roads" in the country) and turning left to Os de Civis with no control in the border.

Only police or army vehicles are out of that treaty. Once that police had to arrive there... they made by helicopter.


The little road finish at Os de Civis. There is no signal about where the border is. This is... when Andorra finish and start Spain again, no flags, no indications about countries, etc...

You have to pay attention, for example, that if you ask for a bill in the restaurant, the phone number will put +34 XXXXX instead of +376 XXXX (yeah... calling from Os de Civis to an Andorran village located just some kilometres away is more expensive than calling to Finland because it is not part of EU), and the bill will include VAT (there is no VAT at Andorra)
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Old December 5th, 2011, 10:28 AM   #5464
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The so-called Osimo street I was talking about is a bit different, though. It is a road built by Italians but managed by Slovenes, with a Slovenian designation, and where Italian police has no jurisdiction. It is indeed fully Slovenian, even if cuts into Italy:

http://maps.google.it/maps?q=45.9818...src=0&t=m&z=14

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Old December 5th, 2011, 05:05 PM   #5465
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It litteraly does cut. Slovenian part is from the right the the tree in the middle, then there's Italian one all covered by concrete, cleary visible.

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Is that pic taken from Via del Monte Santo - Solkan border crossing (the northernmost border crossing in Gorizia urban area)?
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Old December 5th, 2011, 05:07 PM   #5466
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The so-called Osimo street I was talking about is a bit different, though. It is a road built but Italians but managed by Slovenes, with a Slovenian designation, and where Italian police has no jurisdiction. It is indeed fully Slovenian, even if cuts into Italy:

http://maps.google.it/maps?q=45.9818...src=0&t=m&z=14
According to wikipedia that section is managed by Slovenia but have an Italian road number (NSA55).

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The fence dividing the road by the rest of Italy was like an international border.

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Old December 5th, 2011, 06:04 PM   #5467
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Is the surface of the road Slovenian territory? If e.g. somebody commits a crime on the road, will the trial be in Slovenia?
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Old December 5th, 2011, 06:42 PM   #5468
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I'm not so sure about this, but I think that the road remains Italian territory, with a sort of "extraterritorial" status. I'm trying to read the actual Osimo treaty, which established boundaries between Italy and Yugoslavia, but it's huge and written in legalese...
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Old December 5th, 2011, 07:57 PM   #5469
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I'm not so sure about this, but I think that the road remains Italian territory, with a sort of "extraterritorial" status. I'm trying to read the actual Osimo treaty, which established boundaries between Italy and Yugoslavia, but it's huge and written in legalese...
What I have understood, the land is Italian territory, but the treaty authorizes the Yugoslavian police and military bodies to control the road. Slovenia has declared it recognizes the treaty be valid after the failure of Yugoslavia.

The original text of the Treaty of Osimo BTW is written in French...
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Old December 5th, 2011, 09:11 PM   #5470
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There were about 44 small bridges before WW2 connecting Hungarian and Slovak villages. Now some of them are being reconstructed. They just opened new bridge between Rároš (SK) and Rárospuszta (H), lack of infrastructure is probably one of the reason why these southern regions are so poor.


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Old December 5th, 2011, 09:42 PM   #5471
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Old December 5th, 2011, 09:45 PM   #5472
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Old December 5th, 2011, 10:19 PM   #5473
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True it can be confusing for tourists. "HU/SK" (as they did on some parts on the border towns between Belgium and the Netherlands) or "H/SK" would've been more logical
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Old December 5th, 2011, 10:43 PM   #5474
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According to wikipedia that section is managed by Slovenia but have an Italian road number (NSA55).
But it has Slovenian signs and a Slovenian road number on the place (R2-402). Here are my pics of the road.
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Verso, do you know whether this road continues to be mantained by Italy or Slovenia stepped in?
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Old December 5th, 2011, 11:35 PM   #5476
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True it can be confusing for tourists. "HU/SK" (as they did on some parts on the border towns between Belgium and the Netherlands) or "H/SK" would've been more logical
In case of Slovakia it still makes sense: SR - Slovak Republic. Btw we usually use both SK and SR, SK stands for Slovensko so it's less formal.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 12:08 AM   #5477
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Old December 6th, 2011, 12:36 AM   #5478
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Verso, do you know whether this road continues to be mantained by Italy or Slovenia stepped in?
Sorry, I don't know that.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 03:03 AM   #5479
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Is that pic taken from Via del Monte Santo - Solkan border crossing (the northernmost border crossing in Gorizia urban area)?
yes. I hope they will remove the fence once.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 04:02 PM   #5480
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Verso, do you know whether this road continues to be mantained by Italy or Slovenia stepped in?
I think that's logical that Slovenia maintain this road because there is no direct connection to Italian road network
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