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Old December 8th, 2011, 12:36 AM   #5501
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Looking to Google Maps I notice that they have marked the South Sudan borders.
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Old December 8th, 2011, 01:03 AM   #5502
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Maybe the national company for cellular phones at Andorra makes the biggest bussiness!!!. Phones inside the country are very cheap but outside are very expensive, as well as roaming.

You go there as a tourist. The country capital is only 10 km by road from Spain and 20 km from France. You notice your cellular phone is available for receiving and making calls and you can use... but you will pay tooooooooooooo many money to Mobiland, the national Andorran mobile company.
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Odd situation. If I visited I would try and get a signal from a French or Spanish network so I could roam cheaply. Do many Andorrans own multiple mobiles for international calling?

There are a few odd situations with the UK phone network. For example the Channel Islands.

Jersey and Guernsey each have their own mobile and landline phone networks Guernsey includes Alderney Sark and Herm. They are part of the UK numbering plan and all international calls go through the UK. This means all landline calls there are at the national rate. They also run their own mobile networks. When calling between networks there is no problem as there is no difference in charge between mobile networks. But if I visit Jersey from the UK I am roaming, even though I am still in the same international calling code (+44). Same when they visit the UK. Roaming costs are high as they are outside the EU, just like Andorra so can charge what they like. Calling a Jersey mobile from the EU is probably capped as the call would go through the UK. I don't understand why they needed to have their own mobile networks to begin with, they could just remove the VAT on all calls made from the Channel islands if tax was the problem. Also the Isle of Man has the same issue.

Another anomaly is that you can call any number in Northern Ireland in 2 ways. From the UK +44 28 or from ROI +353 48.
Some extra things need saying about this.

First of all, Guernsey Jersey and Isle of Man are separate territories, so it's entirely natural that there might be separate phone companies there.

Although they are included in the UK +44 numbering system, they may be charged differently. UK landline providers such as British Telecom do not necessarily include calls to landlines there in inclusive bundles of minutes.

As for mobiles, although there are regulatory rates for roaming in the EU, there isn't dictation of prices for calls from one's home country.

You're mistaken to suggest that there are no differences in calls between networks. Some UK networks include calls to the Channel Islands and Isle of Man in call bundles, and some do not; some charge as much as 50 pence a minute.

As for roaming, well, you need to discuss this with your own network, as they are setting roaming tariffs, and the old story that networks are only passing on what they are charged by the visited network is something of a myth.

If I visit Guernsey or Jersey or the Isle of Man using my main phone, I would be charged exactly the same roaming rate as visiting the EU.

And that same Eurotariff is extended by my network to other countries, so as well as the EU it also applies in Andorra, Croatia, Faroe Islands, Gibraltar, Guernsey, Iceland, Isle of Man, Jersey, Kosovo, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Montenegro, Norway, San Marino, Serbia, Switzerland, Vatican City.

Or apart from main networks there are a number of SIM cards which specialise in cheap roaming, not only in Europe, but on many countries across the world. Some have free incoming calls in up to nearly 100 countries, including even USA by also having a US mvno identity on the SIM.

These cheap roaming SIMs are mvno arrangements, and as it happens some are based on networks in Isle of Man and Jersey, though others are or have been from Estonia Iceland Israel Liechtenstein Monaco and others (though the former Monaco numbered one was an arrangement with a network on Ghana).

So basically if your network charges you a lot for some roaming, that rapaciousness of tariffs is mainly down to your network.
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Old December 8th, 2011, 01:13 AM   #5503
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So basically if your network charges you a lot for some roaming, that rapaciousness of tariffs is mainly down to your network.


Of course!!!...

Until several years ago they had a fare for starting a call and later they had a price per minute but the first minute was payed fully (this is at least starting + 1 minute).
It was mandatory to make a fare by seconds since the first minute (so a 30 seconds call will have only half minute, not the minimum fare). And all the companies made more expensive the starting calling fare.

UE made mandatory to have the same fares for all destinations in Europe (inside UE)... they made it, but they change fares to non-UE countries.

There are too many but most of them are not frequently visited. The most "surprising" are Switzerland (the biggest), and Andorra (small but with phisical border).

Networks can know if you are calling somewhere... and doesn't matter if it is close to your home. If they can make one fare, they will put.

Concurrence is studying those fares but nothing declared yet.
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Old December 8th, 2011, 02:59 AM   #5504
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Well, as I say, my network charges roaming in those two countries and a dozen or so more at the Eurotariff. Check the roaming rates of all the networks in your country and you may find some variations, for example Vodafone's Passport (or equivalent name)

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Old December 8th, 2011, 12:18 PM   #5505
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Let me have a look but I think that Vodafone (for example, but Orange and Movistar too) will have different fares if calling Channel islands than to Great Britain.

They can know the destination... and they apply by computering the fares...


They had to make cheaper calling to eastern Europe if the country was inside UE so they made more expensive calls to western Europe if not UE (not only this company but all of them)
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Old December 8th, 2011, 07:05 PM   #5506
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Let me have a look but I think that Vodafone (for example, but Orange and Movistar too) will have different fares if calling Channel islands than to Great Britain.

They can know the destination... and they apply by computering the fares...


They had to make cheaper calling to eastern Europe if the country was inside UE so they made more expensive calls to western Europe if not UE (not only this company but all of them)
I already said that is true for some UK companies, and for example Vodafone UK charges 50 pence a minute, whereas I would either pay 10 pence or it would be included in my minutes if I added a monthly bundle.

But you seem to be blurring together the two cases, making international calls from one's home country, compared with roaming there.

Some companies share your cynicism, and some do not.

In any case, aside from discussing such ethics, the main reason for my first post was to correct a couple of incorrect assumptions.
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Old December 11th, 2011, 10:47 AM   #5507
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I quote myself about the Gibraltar airport


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A very curious point was to made airport as bi-national. Making a flight from Spain and having a terminal to La Linea de la concepcion (E) required no customs even in origin nor at Gibraltar.
The airport (and the stadium) is located in the "neutral zone", the only territory required by Spanish authorities which considered that all located there should be shared. In fact they share only the airport (it is managed by UK) but they signed an important agreement with several points.

In this link you can find some interesting pics:


http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=547755&page=4

In the first one... the harbour in the left is entirely Spain and can see the line of the customs.

Airport terminal is in the centre-right.

The "neutral zone" will arrive until the stadium in the left. Southern will be entirely UK.

In the second message there is a picture with more detail of the airport terminal and you can see the customs. It is taken south-north, from the UK side.

Later you have some pics about the new Gibraltar airport terminal and the flow to follow for a flight within Spain and no passport or custom control (flow that today will not apply because no companies are operating, the only one stopped some years ago).

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...=547755&page=4
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Old December 11th, 2011, 11:37 AM   #5508
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Border Rheinfelden (CH) -> Rheinfelden (D) reloaded:
Approaching it from the Swiss side

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4. German-style sign, but customs control is still ahead (there is a skew between Swiss and German custom booth positions, presumably each country wanted them on its own territory)
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Old December 15th, 2011, 10:50 PM   #5509
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New sign at Hungarian border crossings: (Magyar Köztársaság: Republic of Hungary. Magyarország: Hungary)




Old sign:



THEY screwed up the Coat of Arms on the new sign....



Source: http://index.hu/belfold/2011/12/15/u...szagra_jovunk/
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Old December 16th, 2011, 12:39 AM   #5510
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Nenning (D) -> Remich (L)

1. Approaching the bridge over the Mosella


2. Sign for the Mosella ...


3. ... Luxembourg ...


4. ... and Remich


Some 2kms further, gasoline stations (about 8-10 of them) are welcoming motorists from Germany, with some 25-30 ct/litre difference in prices
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Old December 16th, 2011, 02:03 AM   #5511
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New sign at Hungarian border crossings: (Magyar Köztársaság: Republic of Hungary. Magyarország: Hungary)

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Old sign:






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Hungary will be the kingdom?

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Old December 16th, 2011, 10:27 PM   #5512
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New sign at Hungarian border crossings: (Magyar Köztársaság: Republic of Hungary. Magyarország: Hungary)

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THEY screwed up the Coat of Arms on the new sign....



Source: http://index.hu/belfold/2011/12/15/u...szagra_jovunk/
Why do you say that ? I don't see a big difference between both ...
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Old December 16th, 2011, 11:07 PM   #5513
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Old December 16th, 2011, 11:33 PM   #5514
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What was wrong with "Magyar Köztársaság"? The same as with "Ferihegy Airport" and "Moszkva Tér"?
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What was wrong with "Magyar Köztársaság"? The same as with "Ferihegy Airport" and "Moszkva Tér"?
Nothing wrong, I think, but it is not aligned with the common practice for those signs. Sweden shows "Sverige" not "Kongeriket Sverige" and Finland "Suomi/Finland" not "Suomen tasavalta/Republiken Finland", for instance.
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Old December 17th, 2011, 11:47 AM   #5516
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I really don't think the average foreigner cares whether it's a federal state, kingdom, republic or whatever. The only country with a commun suffix is the Czech Republic. Czechia is often used in other languages though.
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Nothing wrong, I think, but it is not aligned with the common practice for those signs. Sweden shows "Sverige" not "Kongeriket Sverige" and Finland "Suomi/Finland" not "Suomen tasavalta/Republiken Finland", for instance.
However, there are still signs with "Republik Österreich", "Bundesrepublik Deutschland", "Rzeczpospolita Polska".
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Old December 17th, 2011, 06:49 PM   #5519
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What was wrong with "Magyar Köztársaság"? The same as with "Ferihegy Airport" and "Moszkva Tér"?
it is again Széll Kálmán tér actually
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Old December 18th, 2011, 02:36 AM   #5520
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I really don't think the average foreigner cares whether it's a federal state, kingdom, republic or whatever. The only country with a commun suffix is the Czech Republic. Czechia is often used in other languages though.


In Spain most of official documents (as an example ID card, passport, etc...) have only the indication of "Spain" but the driving licence card writes "Kingdom of Spain" (it is the official name of the country and the one considered by the UN).

But... it is required to have the full name in a document when ALL people (citizens and visitors) will understand the same with only one word?


PS. Maybe most of visitors may understand the translation of Spain in the original language but not the word of Kingdom and can cause confusions if writting everywhere.
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