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Old February 21st, 2012, 12:58 AM   #5761
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I'd have thought something like Kuwait-Iraq would be a bigger gap, but it's certainly an interesting border.

On a related note out of interest I once worked out the biggest HDI discrepancies between bordering countries - Spain/Morocco was 12th behind:

Libya Niger 0.507
Libya Chad 0.455
Iran Afghanistan 0.43
China Afghanistan 0.42
Algeria Niger 0.414
Turkmenistan Afghanistan 0.387
Algeria Mali 0.383
Uzbekistan Afghanistan 0.358
Tajikistan Afghanistan 0.336
Kuwait Iraq 0.333
Libya Sudan 0.316
Spain Morocco 0.301

Although what's happened in Libya recently might have affected that of course. Incidentally the most 'similar' countries on that measure were
Poland / Slovakia; Ecuador / Peru and Kyrgyzstan / Uzbekistan
Interesting, Where does North/South Korea stand in that list? For borders with a big difference people would naturally suggest USA/Mexico, but I doubt that is too different these days.
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Old February 21st, 2012, 01:34 AM   #5762
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Interesting, Where does North/South Korea stand in that list? For borders with a big difference people would naturally suggest USA/Mexico, but I doubt that is too different these days.
Good point, don't think North Korea has an HDI rating due to lack of data - yes Mexico has relatively high HDI, but it's still a major GDP per capita difference (just worked these out according to IMF 2011 figures, also excluding North Korea - may have possibly missed others!)

Qatar Saudi Arabia 78835
Luxembourg France 49781
Luxembourg Belgium 47152
Luxembourg Germany 46894
Kuwait Iraq 36863
Norway Russia 36689
Brunei Malaysia 33939
United States Mexico 33026
Israel Syria 25926
Spain Morocco 25553
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Old March 3rd, 2012, 01:01 AM   #5763
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungholz
Jungholz is a small Austrian enclave in Germany. Only a point connect it with the rest of Austria (the summit of the mountain Sorgschrofen, 1636 m).


The X painted on the rock is the quadripoint.



Bosnian enclave in Serbia:


Russian enclave in Belarus:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vennbahn
This is the "Vennbahn", a former railway (now cicle path) connecting Luxembourg with Aachen (Germany) through Belgian territory. The part through German is still Belgian territory. A very narrow strip of Belgian land divides a tiny part of Germany from the rest of the country.



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Old March 3rd, 2012, 03:30 AM   #5764
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Ben Hai, the old border between South Vietnam and North Vietnam at 17th parallel


1965. International Control Commission team patroling bridge over DMZ zone.






Communist billboard in north vietnamise side




Anti-communist billboard in south vietnamise side




North side of DMZ sign saying "South & North are brothers"


Loud speakers blaring propaganda at 17th Parallel






South vietnamise side. 1961












DMZ 1966














How it looks today








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Old March 3rd, 2012, 10:54 AM   #5765
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@ italystf & Satyricon84: very, very interesting pictures, thank you!
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Old March 3rd, 2012, 02:35 PM   #5766
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In 2 months (Jan-Feb '12) 1071 vehicles and 1588 people had been checked at I-A border near Tarvisio. 4 people had been arrested:
-an Ukrainian woman and her Italian husband carrying 350k € of unknown provenience;
-an Italian driving his Porsche Cayenne with fake insurance sticker;
-an Italian carrying an illegal immigrant into Italy.
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Old March 3rd, 2012, 02:59 PM   #5767
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I guess they checked at the 1st toll station after the border. At the real border only Austrians check sometimes for the motorway sticker. Lately at the 1st toll station on Tarvisio and Brennero there are often the police and the guardia di finanza. So far they never stopped me, probably I don't have a SUV, which is lately seen in Italy as a symbol of arrogance and they are often checked in any part of Italy.
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Old March 8th, 2012, 02:07 PM   #5768
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Some news about the bridge over the Oyapock River between France (French Guiana) and Brazil (State of Amapá). The bridge is now completed. Road access to the bridge on the French side of the border is complete, and the border checkpoint is complete, but the Brazilian side of the bridge is still... a mess. They are working on road access, and hope to connect the bridge to the Oiapoque-Macapá road by July. Dilma Rousseff, the president of Brazil, would like to inaugurate the bridge in August. God only knows who will be the French president.

As for the road from Oiapoque to Macapá, it is still largely a muddy trail that takes 8 long grinding hours to reach Macapá. The Brazilians are working on it, but it is 5 years late due to corruption problems. The federal government has intervened to clean the mess and so they are now earnestly working on it with 1,500 workers paving the road, so they hope to have the road finally paved by 2013, although it seems a bit optimistic to me.



Picture of the Brazilian side of the bridge taken on August 2, 2011:
[img]http://i41.************/f4o2hf.jpg[/img]

The road from Oiapoque to Macapá, not yet paved:




French side of the bridge:
[img]http://i56.************/2nbf5v8.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i43.************/2lv0h0o.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i42.************/f0aiok.jpg[/img]
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Old March 8th, 2012, 02:14 PM   #5769
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I don't think you can cover 550 kilometers across unpaved roads in 8 hours.
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Old March 8th, 2012, 02:34 PM   #5770
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That's what the newspaper France-Guyane claims. I don't think the entire road is unpaved. Only the section between Calçoene and Oiapoque is unpaved.
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Old March 8th, 2012, 06:28 PM   #5771
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How is "French Guiana" actually pronounced in English? Is it [french gayana], [geeyana], [gweeyana] or somehow else? What about "Guyana"? I suppose [gayana]?
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Old March 8th, 2012, 06:30 PM   #5772
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http://inogolo.com/pronunciation/Guiana
http://inogolo.com/pronunciation/d225/Guyana
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Old March 8th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #5773
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Thanks! So I've been pronouncing it wrongly. It's also interesting that they're pronounced differently, but then, they're also written a bit differently.
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Old March 8th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #5774
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Interesting, thats not the case in British English (well in SE England, it probably varies), both are Guy-ar-na, more like the second one. French Guiana is always called that and Guyana is sometimes called British Guiana to distinguish from French Guiana. Suriname is rarely called Dutch Guiana but you can hear it sometimes if someone is talking about the three of them which are known as 'The Guianas'.

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Old March 8th, 2012, 06:53 PM   #5775
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Thanks! So I've been pronouncing it wrongly. It's also interesting that they're pronounced differently, but then, they're also written a bit differently.
Maybe you're pronouncing the Slovenian way
Incidentally, Guiana and Guyana are pronounced exactly the same in Italian: Goo-yuh-na.
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Old March 8th, 2012, 07:32 PM   #5776
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In French it's "la Guyane" ([la gɥijan]) and "le Guyana" ([lə gɥijana]. You can't mix them.

Je vais en Guyane.
Je vais au Guyana.

Je viens de Guyane.
Je viens du Guyana.

Simple, isn't it?
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Old March 8th, 2012, 11:01 PM   #5777
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It looks to me like the crossing from Spain to Gibraltar still has a lot of controls in place. Is this right? How can this be allowed within the EU?
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I wouldn't say 'a lot' but there are some. The EU isn't the same as Schengen.
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Old March 8th, 2012, 11:12 PM   #5779
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It looks to me like the crossing from Spain to Gibraltar still has a lot of controls in place. Is this right? How can this be allowed within the EU?
Gibraltar is part of UK that isn't a Schengen member. There are also controls between France and UK.
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Old March 8th, 2012, 11:40 PM   #5780
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Let alone the fact that relations between Spain and Gibraltar aren't exactly friendly (even though they used to be even worse).
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