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Old March 10th, 2012, 06:54 PM   #5801
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When I went there, there weren't controls at all. The Principality has also own currency the "Luigino" 1 Luigino = 5 euro if I remember well. You can use it to buy things in the shops or pay the restaurant for example
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Old March 10th, 2012, 07:06 PM   #5802
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Is checking documents legal?
No, it's not. I'd indict all of them for high treason.
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Old March 10th, 2012, 07:41 PM   #5803
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The "indipendence" of Seborga was proclaimed just to attract tourists. The man who checks passports is just for folklore and has no legal power. Seborga issues its own passports and licence plates but they have no legal value. Cars must also carry Italian plates.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old March 10th, 2012, 10:48 PM   #5804
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When I went there, there weren't controls at all. The Principality has also own currency the "Luigino" 1 Luigino = 5 euro if I remember well. You can use it to buy things in the shops or pay the restaurant for example
I have 5 crediti from the Federazione di Damanhur.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 01:32 AM   #5805
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Rome, Italy.
The border between Italy and The Sovereign Military Order of Malta.
This really sovereign and legal state.
The Maltese Order is sovereign subject of the international law providing for diplomatic relations from 93 states.






Interior of the state...





Registration plate S.M.O.M. = Sovrano Militare Ordine di Malta.

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Old March 11th, 2012, 01:44 AM   #5806
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Greece-Bulgaria-Turkey

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Old March 11th, 2012, 06:41 AM   #5807
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There is no border between Italy and the S. M. O. M., because the latter has no territory. The order has some souvereign rights, but unlike the Vatican State, is not a state of its own. Only since its older than most of the European states, it is recognized by some (mostly catholic) countries as an own souvereign entity.

I highly doubt that S. M. O. M. numberplates would be regarded as legal in some states.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 11:35 AM   #5808
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does it worth to visit?
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Old March 11th, 2012, 07:17 PM   #5809
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There is no border between Italy and the S. M. O. M., because the latter has no territory.
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Buildings SMOM in Rome and Malta have the status of exterritoriality.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 07:22 PM   #5810
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does it worth to visit?
Yeah, there're some nice temples.

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Buildings SMOM in Rome and Malta have the status of exterritoriality.
That's like saying Italy borders the US since there's a US embassy in Italy and an Italian embassy in the US.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 08:22 PM   #5811
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Buildings SMOM in Rome and Malta have the status of exterritoriality.
Extraterritoriality is different from actual territory. A SMOM building in ROME with extraterritoriality is still Italian territory, with some limitations. Therefore, SMOM has no territory.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 09:22 PM   #5812
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Yokohama Customs, at Yokohama International Sea Port - a "border crossing" point of Japan.
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Old March 11th, 2012, 11:07 PM   #5813
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Some news about the bridge over the Oyapock River between France (French Guiana) and Brazil (State of Amapá). The bridge is now completed. Road access to the bridge on the French side of the border is complete, and the border checkpoint is complete, but the Brazilian side of the bridge is still... a mess. They are working on road access, and hope to connect the bridge to the Oiapoque-Macapá road by July. Dilma Rousseff, the president of Brazil, would like to inaugurate the bridge in August. God only knows who will be the French president.

As for the road from Oiapoque to Macapá, it is still largely a muddy trail that takes 8 long grinding hours to reach Macapá. The Brazilians are working on it, but it is 5 years late due to corruption problems. The federal government has intervened to clean the mess and so they are now earnestly working on it with 1,500 workers paving the road, so they hope to have the road finally paved by 2013, although it seems a bit optimistic to me.



Picture of the Brazilian side of the bridge taken on August 2, 2011:
[img]http://i41.************/f4o2hf.jpg[/img]

The road from Oiapoque to Macapá, not yet paved:




French side of the bridge:
[img]http://i56.************/2nbf5v8.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i43.************/2lv0h0o.jpg[/img]

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Very cool. Do they have an EU starred 'France' sign there as well, anyone know?
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Old March 12th, 2012, 12:43 AM   #5814
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Please, don't quote the pictures. There's no need for us to load all the pictures twice.
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Old March 12th, 2012, 02:32 AM   #5815
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"Canned food" found by policemen inside a car crossing the I - SLO border at Fernetti:
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Between two pieces of bread 50 grams of... weed
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Old March 12th, 2012, 06:25 AM   #5816
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Old March 12th, 2012, 08:47 AM   #5817
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It's apparently near Bouzonville (in Moselle on the Franco-German border, near Luxembourg).

And according to that pic taken by Google street view in 2011, the sign is still there:

BTW, this road marks the border, here is the same road few hundred meters away, in the small binational village of "Leiding/Leidingen":

The street is named "Rue de la Frontičre" on the French side (literally "Border Street"), and "Neutrale Straße" ("Neutral Street") on the German side.

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As for the information boards, they are everywhere in that area.

I've seen it, the right side is Saaarland (yuck!). Indeed the street names are funny. There's a German bus that serves the nearby French village, and the road is serviced by the French, even though it's partially completely in Germany.

Here's the bus line: http://hal9000.physik.uni-saarland.d...ption=line+422

...and the stop: http://hal9000.physik.uni-saarland.d...n+Wallerfangen
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Old March 13th, 2012, 04:01 AM   #5818
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How were the other 'inner-iron-curtain' crossings those times? Unfortunately I have never crossed one of them, my most interesting border in that time was between East and West Germany.

And my most interesting crossing in the last few years was UAE-Oman.


In order to understand this, you need to know that the communist regime worked with great police and army presence everywhere, you couldn't just go around wherever you like. In the really hardcore communism you needed a permit just to leave the town/territory you lived in. Like in North-Korea today. On the other hand crime levels were extremely low. The Soviet Union needed buffer zone in case of war with the west, that included the countries that had a border with the soviets. Yugoslavia didn't, that's why they went soft on them. As far as i know there are still police posts in Ukraine and Russia, and they stop everyone and ask where they going and why, and if the person is a foreigner the procedure can take longer, even include some bribe as well.

So for example in Hungary in the early years of communism (1947-1956) one couldn't travel around, couldn't leave Budapest, the capital without a permit. There were police posts on the road around the country and there were inspections as if you would cross a border but you were just traveling within the country. I have a friend who was a taxi driver at the time and he told that he left Budapest with a passenger on board and came back in a smaller path that the police didn't inspect.
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Old March 13th, 2012, 04:06 AM   #5819
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Another friend of mine was a border guard in the Austrian-Hungarian border. He told that one had to be very trusted person by the communist regime to be at the western border. They didn't just sent there anybody, but only those who were trustworthy of the government. They were one of the few soldier formations who got real bullets in their guns (2 year service in the military was mandatory back then to every adult males). Once my friend got passed by an east German car while he was on patrol in a path leading to Austria. He shot one round in the air as a warning, and rang the next checkpoint (the phone was built in a tree's body), they arrested the German, turned out he was half asleep, woke up from the gunshot and was really terrified. However a long interrogation started for the trespasser, and my friend was complemented.
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Old March 13th, 2012, 04:08 AM   #5820
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There were some hardcore communist leaders in the eastern block for example Nicolae Ceaușescu in Romania, and it was commonly known that Romanian border guards liked to funk around with people so most avoided going there.

In 1989 we went on a holiday trip from Hungary all the way through Yugoslavia to Greece, then to Turkey, Istanbul, then to Bulgaria. It was a one-month-long journey. There was no problem passing to YU, crossing the country we were only once stopped by police but nothing else. Then arriving in the YU-GR border there was a long line waiting, the guards took their time. We spent about a week in Greece then went to Turkey. On the GR-TR border there was a long cue again customs check and everything, even with the car we had to go through a wheel bath to make sure were not carrying any disease. My father told me all this was because the Greek and the Turkish were not very good friends.
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