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Old May 16th, 2012, 04:08 AM   #6061
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Ah ok. Still goods you can take in or out are very much restricted.
I believe there are people that make nice living from going through the Polish Belarus border with ciggarets .

http://telegraf.by/en/2011/12/kontra...las-v-tri-raza

Funny, they smuggle them from Belarus also to Ukraine

http://www.pvu.gov.ua/control/en/pub...2&cat_id=46637


The difference in price of ciggarets between CZ and NL is around 2-3 euros. Buying few packages on the airport would pay me the travel cost with a low cost.
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Old May 20th, 2012, 12:10 AM   #6062
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Ah ok. Still goods you can take in or out are very much restricted.
I believe it is 2 bottles, I got checked last year at Male Slemence and they were surprised to see someone who wasn't local and hadn't taped cigarette packets to themselves. This morning I was not stopped at customs in Borispol Airport. I was carrying 2 bottles of Kyrgyz vodka.
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Old May 20th, 2012, 09:36 PM   #6063
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Border crossing video recorded by myself: Stamora Moravița (Romania) - Vatin (Serbia) (map):

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Old May 21st, 2012, 07:55 PM   #6064
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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:14 PM   #6065
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Why complicated?
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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:28 PM   #6066
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^ complicated.
I think hofburg is talking about the serbian border checks. It seems to me too a bit more complicated that what I have seen in your videos of RO/HU border.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:44 PM   #6067
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The border check was indeed a little more strict compared with the H/RO (which is a joke, not a real check).
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 12:34 AM   #6068
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The border check was indeed a little more strict compared with the H/RO (which is a joke, not a real check).
As it should be, if not removed at all. Pre-2007 and especially pre-2002(I think? The year EU removed visas for RO), the checks were humiliating.
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 12:54 AM   #6069
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As it should be, if not removed at all. Pre-2007 and especially pre-2002(I think? The year EU removed visas for RO), the checks were humiliating.
Being the outer Schengen border, checks should be enforced until Romania will join too. It has the same status of the RO-SRB.
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 01:01 AM   #6070
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all checks should be abolished
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 01:25 AM   #6071
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Why complicated?
what exactly are they checking when leaving Serbia?
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 01:39 AM   #6072
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all checks should be abolished
You mean removing all borders in the world? Unthinkable. Off course we can enlarge EU and Schengen area when new countries fulfill necessary requirements.
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 01:56 AM   #6073
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You mean removing all borders in the world? Unthinkable. Off course we can enlarge EU and Schengen area when new countries fulfill necessary requirements.
why? it was like that 100 years ago
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 02:33 AM   #6074
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btw Italystf, what's up with permanent police presence at Vilesse? every time I go there, they are there, they don't stop me though, but they check all vehicles that are not from I or SLO apparently.
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 08:22 AM   #6075
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As it should be, if not removed at all. Pre-2007 and especially pre-2002(I think? The year EU removed visas for RO), the checks were humiliating.
Schengen visas for Romanians were removed somewhere around 2000-2002 (don't remember exactly when). And yeah, before that the checks were a lot stricter than now.

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Being the outer Schengen border, checks should be enforced until Romania will join too. It has the same status of the RO-SRB.
The border check at the outer Schengen border (Hungary/Romania) is very relaxed. You just show your ID and sometimes they ask where are you going, and that's all. Few times I also passed without beeing checked at all (while entering Romania). From my own experience I can say that the check at Hungary/Croatia and Croatia/Slovenia border was similar with the one between Romania/Hungary.

The check at Romania/Serbia was a little bit different.

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what exactly are they checking when leaving Serbia?
While entering Serbia there was no problem. At the Romanian checkpoint they didn't ask anything, just ID check, and at the Serbian checkpoint it was the ID check + "where are you going?".

While comming back at the Serbian checkpoint was the ID check + "where have you been?" (Belgrade) + "what did you do there?" (tennis tournament), and at the Romanian checkpoint it was the ID check again + "alcohool, cigarettes?" (2 beers ) + check in the car trunk. At the Serbian checkpoint at first I didn't knew which lane to take, because there were also trucks and pedestrians there
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 09:50 AM   #6076
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btw Italystf, what's up with permanent police presence at Vilesse? every time I go there, they are there, they don't stop me though, but they check all vehicles that are not from I or SLO apparently.
It's a different thing since it's an internal Schengen border and there should be not permanent checks. Police can stop people for routine checks like in other roads but stopping only cars from certain countries is politically uncorrect. And also useless because if you have something to hide you can take (legally) a lot of local roads from SLO to I where is very difficult find police.

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While comming back at the Serbian checkpoint was the ID check + "where have you been?" (Belgrade) + "what did you do there?" (tennis tournament)
Stupid and useless questions, you can lie whatever you want and they couldn't never discover if you did. And neither they have the right to do since once you enter in the country legally you can go freely everywhere.
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 11:27 AM   #6077
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Watching two different TV channels about border controls at Australia and USA, this is very often there. They are not interested in the answer but depending "how" you answer they know if it is important to make a second check...

and many years of service make to learn a lot of tricks...
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 11:44 AM   #6078
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I also wanted to reply that. I don't think that they were very interested what I will answer (where I've been and what did I do there), but they just wanted to test my reaction: how fast do I answer and "how" do I answer. If I would have gone to Serbia for doing illegal things I would get stuck at that question and didn't think at a fast and plausible answer.
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 11:50 AM   #6079
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After posting a message in the Spanishs thread of motorways, I took a look of N-141 and some things to have a look

1- It seems it has have never a custom cabin check, neither in France nor in Spain. In Spain it is a national road (even if it is only a little road to approach a mountain pass). In France it is a D-XXX road.
In fact, it is enough to have a police patrol in the cross road with the N-230 and making all kind of controls if needed.

2- In the exact point of the border there are no indications about a border. In France it appears the name of the department and in Spain the name of the demarcation but with touristic signals. No border information, no speed signals, no...

3- In the cross to take the N-141 it is pointed the directions "Portillon mountain pass" (written in Occitan, a language official only in that valley) and "Luchon (F)"

It is another case where they write the name of a foreing town and not the border (not often in Spain but increasing...)


http://maps.google.es/maps?q=bossost...222.27,,0,9.96
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Old May 22nd, 2012, 12:04 PM   #6080
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Being the outer Schengen border, checks should be enforced until Romania will join too. It has the same status of the RO-SRB.
No, it doesn't! H / RO border is an INNER EU border. So there's only a passport control. There is no customs control, since moving freight accross EU is free. However, on the H / RO border there's a customs officer checking/asking you if you have mainly cigarettes, for which Hungary has a limit for the "personal use".

On the other hand, RO / SRB border is EU / NON EU border, so there's a whole different story.

An it's true, before 2002, the H / RO border control was humiliating. But then again, so was on the AT / H border for the Romanians.
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