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Old May 26th, 2012, 07:47 PM   #6181
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How are relationships between South American countries regarding borders? I remember Bolivia and Chile relationships were not so friendly...
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Old May 26th, 2012, 08:24 PM   #6182
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Here it is another one of the world's highest border crossings. It is Paso Internacional Agua Negra (Black Water) between Argentina and Chile. This is a non paved road crossing, and it lies at 4780 mt a.s.l. It is in the middle af the Andes, and it's frozen almost hole year.

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Old May 26th, 2012, 08:28 PM   #6183
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It is a offence to drive a car with a crack in the windshield in CZ.
The same is said about giving or taking bribes. And?
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Old May 26th, 2012, 08:32 PM   #6184
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How are relationships between South American countries regarding borders? I remember Bolivia and Chile relationships were not so friendly...
There is a lifetime dispute between Chile and Bolivia about bolivia's acces to the pacific ocean. Bolivia used to have it, a long time ago. But after the Copper War between these countries, Chile reclaimed that land and Bolivia remains until today as a landloked country. But maybe if there is a chilean friend, he will explain that much better for us.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 10:36 PM   #6185
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The same is said about giving or taking bribes. And?
Bribing is a crime, not an offence... .

I guess not everywhere it is an offence to drive with a cracked windshield. In the czech law is that offence for a crack bigger than 2 cm. It apperas that its not everywhere the same... (e.g. http://www.truckfanclub.be/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2358). One of my Dutch friends suprised me, driving with 30 cm long crack in his windshield quite some time, even passing APK...
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Old May 26th, 2012, 10:45 PM   #6186
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Bribing is a crime, not an offence... .

I guess not everywhere it is an offence to drive with a cracked windshield. In the czech law is that offence for a crack bigger than 2 cm. It apperas that its not everywhere the same... (e.g. http://www.truckfanclub.be/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=2358). One of my Dutch friends suprised me, driving with 30 cm long crack in his windshield quite some time, even passing APK...
My mother's car has a long crack on the lower side of its windshield for 3 - 4 years. When she took her car for the mandatory technical inspection they said that she doesn't need to replace it because it's not dangerous and it wouldn't break completely. Probably this crack is related to a confrontation with our previous neighboor.
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Old May 27th, 2012, 12:34 AM   #6187
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This is Paso de las Damas between Argentina and Chile. No road, just for 4X4 vehicles.
It lies 3560mt a.s.l., but there is no border patrol or anything. Just the mark sign.


Thanks.


Can you tell further about the Cristo Redentor de los Alpes border?
It is a little higher. I've read some articles about but do not know the full History.
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Old May 27th, 2012, 12:47 AM   #6188
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How are relationships between South American countries regarding borders? I remember Bolivia and Chile relationships were not so friendly...

Bolivia-Chile, bad... rest of them, it is not Schengen but borders can be crossed without many problems.

Maybe the most interenting point is this:



There is no bridge Paraguay-Argentina so any journey means crossing Brazil in one or other way... just for a few kilometres (but enough to have two border checks).

The Paraguayan city near Brazil is an almost duty free city... and Brazilian controls are strong there. So then there are little ships to go to Argentina by the river avoiding the Brazilian territory.

In fact, due that it is in the middle of a big forest and mainly with some greats rivers as border, there are not too many road borders PY-AR (but possible to cross by ship).


The most surprising thing is that... Bolivia has a navy army. It is small (about 100 people in the army) and being the poorest country in South America, no citizen ask about that "service". They consider it important. They believe that one day they will have sea again.

I read an article about it. They have some small ships in the Titicaca lake where they make the training. That can include to swim in that lake which is hardly cold and can cause several illness.

After one year training, they go for practices about another day to an army ship in the Ocean of any "friendly neighbour country". This is... any one except Chile: Peru, Argentina, Uruguay (it is not neighbour but close to), Brazil... and stay with its army for that period.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 12:42 AM   #6189
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Paso Cristo Redentor Argentina-Chile

Ok, let´s talk about the "Cristo Redentor Pass" between Argentina and Chile. For sure the busiest bordercross between these countries, cause it links Buenos Aires and Santiago de Chile. Also the Atlantic to the Pacific. It lies at 3200 mt a.s.l., and it is 3 km long. There is also a rail connection a couple of meters away, but it has been closed for at least 50 years. Due to it's altitude, it is very difficult to go thru it in winter. So in winter we can find several kilometers of trucks stucked under the snow of the andes. Thanksfully, it is so cold, that the cargo keeps refrigerated. But also the truckers. The sightseeing is really nice, going thru the Andes mountains and passing just by the Aconcagua, the tallest mountain in Southamerica. Here you have some pictures:

The argentinian sideof the tunnel:


The chilean side:


Inside the tunnel:


The Cristo Redentor Monument (4200 mt a.s.l.) that gives it's name:



The tunnel closed in winter (there could be more than 2500 trucks each side waiting for reopening)





The road in Chile:


The forgotten rail and station:



El Cerro Aconcagua (6962mt)


Hope you enjoyed it.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 12:46 AM   #6190
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I did, thank you. How long do these trucks normally have to wait before they open the tunnel? Probably a long time, judging by the amount...
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Old May 28th, 2012, 12:49 AM   #6191
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Very nice

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Old May 28th, 2012, 12:49 AM   #6192
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Old May 28th, 2012, 12:52 AM   #6193
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Old May 28th, 2012, 01:09 AM   #6194
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Very nice

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Old May 28th, 2012, 01:11 AM   #6195
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UK to tackle Spain about long queues
Tuesday, 22 May 2012 16:51


According to the Gibraltar press, Britain is to complain to Spain about the three-hour- long queues motorists had to endure to cross the border on Sunday. The official Spanish version was that the Guardia Civil were searching for contraband tobacco – which they do most days without holding up the traffic too much. However, the feeling in Gib is that Sunday’s queues had something to do with Chief Minister Fabian Picardo’s appearance on Spanish television the night before.

Mr Picardo had been invited by Telecinco to participate in a debate to explain Gibraltar’s crackdown on Spanish fishing vessels in its water but the programme did little more than highlight just how little the Spanish know about the Rock and how the Spanish press goes out of its way to misrepresent anything to do with Gibraltar. The Spanish daily La Razon had Gibraltar on a war footing last week, showing a helicopter allegedly monitoring the Spanish fishing boats when in fact the photo was of a helicopter crew practising in Hampshire for the Queen's Diamond Jubilee celebrations last weekend. Other Spanish newspapers claimed that the Royal Navy was being sent in to keep the Spanish boats away.

After a period of relatively peaceful relations under the Socialist government, the current Partido Popular government is taking a much harder line on anything to do with Gibraltar, as the events of the last week show.

Last Wednesday, the Interior Ministry said it was prepared to send Guardia Civil escorts out with fishing vessels in the disputed waters, which it claimed were not ceded to Britain with Gibraltar and Menorca as part of the 1713 Treaty of Utrecht. Agriculture Minister Miguel Arias Cañete said on Thursday that the escorts had gone into action and as a result the Spanish fleet was able to fish “in complete normality”. However, El Pais newspaper reported that it had not been able to confirm that the Guardia had been deployed on Wednesday night.

On Thursday, the mayor of Algeciras and Partido Popular MP Juan Ignacio Landaluce, said that “patience has its limits.”

He said “a solution has been sought but they have not given an inch. Who is acting irresponsibly – those who are trying to protect what is theirs (meaning Spain) or those who are making the situation tenser?”

The problem dates back to last March, when negotiations between fishermen’s guilds in La Línea and Algeciras and Gibraltar broke down after the latter annulled a 1999 agreement allowing the fleets to fish up to half a nautical mile from The Rock.

The heightening of tension came a day after the Royal Household announced, on government advice, that Queen Sofía would not be attending a gathering of world monarchies at Windsor Castle and Buckingham Palace in honour of Queen Elizabeth II’s Diamond Jubilee. One newspaper revealed that the Queen had been looking forward to the visit and only backed out because she was ordered to. Foreign Minister José Manuel García-Margallo said on Thursday the decision was taken to avoid a potentially uncomfortable situation for the Queen. “What would have happened if there had been an incident (with the fishing boats) during the Queen’s stay in London?” he said at a press conference on Thursday.

The Spanish government had already expressed its displeasure with Prince Edward’s scheduled visit to Gibraltar next month, but the European Monarchic Association came out in support of the visit, saying monarchs have the “obligation” to honour invitations from others. Pedro Schwenzer, the association’s president, said trying to prevent British Royals from visiting their subjects was “ridiculous”.

Fortunately the “war” is being confined to words – at the moment.


Source: the News Online, Spain.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 01:31 AM   #6196
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Little resume with further information.

Since earlier 18th century, this corner has been British.
https://maps.google.es/maps?q=gibral...Gibraltar&z=14

But in fact, the territory where the stadium, airport and surrounds are should be neutral. Thanks to a new treaty the airport can be used from Spain with no custom controls for a flight to Schengen area (a little terminal but two ways inside).

The Utrech treaty (I read it yesterday... and it is not easy, it is written with some words that were used 300 years ago but not today) is very confused but talks about the "country land" and the entrance to the port. It says nothing about the rest of the sea.

What kind of criteria should be used?. As an example, the 14 km between Morocco and Spain are 4 km for each country only and 2 lanes of 3 km for going Atlantic to Mediterranean and upside down.

But about this waters, the treaty says nothing. Only about entrance to port... and the port has been enlarged in these three centuries.

Furthermore... considering the most common criterias for international waters, the Gibraltar government allowed Spanish fishers to stay close to them except near the coast (they do not work fishing and didn't matter).
In the same way... it is hardly difficult for an army British plane to land Gibraltar without entering in Spanish territory

Two weeks ago, the Gibraltar prime minister didn't allow to fish there... and a little war started.

1- Spanish police helped fishers to go there... specially to that "neutral area", but also for the one that is not recognised specially by the Utrech treaty.
2- Gibraltar police made what they consider to avoid these fishers near their territory, and there are tense situations.
3- Mr. Rajoy and Mr. Cameron joined in an international meeting in between and had too many things to talk about... but nothing about this problem.
4- Spanish police started to make hard controls for entrance/exit Gibraltar. No forbidden... but just an exhaustive passport and baggage control (enough to collapse the border)
5- There is further more political inside Spain. Algeciras municipality (where all fishers come) is of the same political party of central government. La Linea municipality is of the opposite political party.
There are accusations from one to other town about this problem and how they manage it.

... and while fishers and police every night are in tense relations and queues at border are horrible... Mr. Rajoy and Mr. Cameron seems not to have anything to say about when they meet themselves...
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Old May 28th, 2012, 01:34 AM   #6197
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El Cerro Aconcagua (6962mt)


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Is it popular at America to go there on mountain trekking or similar?. I say it because inside Europe I do not remember anyone going there but too many people going Himalaya. It is almost 7000m and, after Everest and surroundin mountains (which takes several countries), we can be sure it is the second highest border in the world
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Old May 28th, 2012, 01:48 AM   #6198
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I just read an interesting article, that both Gibraltarians and the local Spanish people in the area think it is always going to be this way. The ongoing fights about the rock is between Madrid and London only, and locals from both nationalities just get on with it. The Spanish go to Gibraltar for cheap shopping, and the Gibraltarians go to Spain for cheap wining and dining.

On the border on the Gibraltar side there is an office, where people can complaint about harassment of Spanish border officials. There is also a sign saying that Gibraltar regrets the delays occurred by Spanish authorities. Not sure if it is still there, it was 2 years ago, last time I was there.
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you can see a poll about this topic in the Spanish forum and most of Spanish forumers have said that this international problem worries little to them or absolutely nothing...

off-topic.... it seems to be a "political wall" to have media with some news different than someone harder inside Spain in these days.
I think most of people would think that... "deja vu".

This is why most of Spanish forumers said that it was one of their last problems today... with a very complicated situation inside the country and no time to think about these borders.

Despite what government tried... people doesn't mind. People prefers answers about what they are doing and last mesures taken... instead of what did they do four police (yeah, only four) boats in the Algeciras bay...
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I just read an interesting article, that both Gibraltarians and the local Spanish people in the area think it is always going to be this way. The ongoing fights about the rock is between Madrid and London only, and locals from both nationalities just get on with it. The Spanish go to Gibraltar for cheap shopping, and the Gibraltarians go to Spain for cheap wining and dining.

On the border on the Gibraltar side there is an office, where people can complaint about harassment of Spanish border officials. There is also a sign saying that Gibraltar regrets the delays occurred by Spanish authorities. Not sure if it is still there, it was 2 years ago, last time I was there.


In fact... there is nothing special compared with a lot of international borders.

The main difference since two weeks ago is that then they were looking people and asking something if they tought they should... and now they are asking for passport to everyone.

I think that there is nothing to say for asking the passport in every movement outside the Schengen treaty. Other thing is that these controls are not so usual for a travel from Spain to Great Britain (even if by plane depending of the airport, they can let you enter with a random passport control only...).



There is another detail to say: It is the narrowest border that can be crossed by car and with a custom control in each side in all the world (I think Macao-China was narrowest but now that border do not exists). So... anyone can imagine that there is not too many space to prepare a big custom cabin...
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