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Old June 3rd, 2012, 12:43 AM   #6241
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This is the Paso de Sna Francisco, in Catamarca, Argentina, that links Fiambalá with Copiapó in Chile. It lies at 4720 mt a.s.l. The road is patially paved, but not in very good conditions. In winter it is really frezing up there.

The border in summer:


The border in winter:


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Some in summer:



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A shelter right in the middle:
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 04:36 PM   #6242
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Is there any other paved road suitable for truck traffic between Santiago and Buenos Aires?
As of today there are just 4 fully paved border crossings between Chile and Argentina:
(all of them suitable for truck traffic, the design on every case is a 1x1 highway with 80 to 110 km/h speed limit and mostly on good conditions)

- Paso de Jama on the north (4400 mts high)
- Paso e los libertadores / Cristo Redentor on the center (3200 mts high)
- Paso Pino Hachado on south/Patagonia (1800 mts high)
- Paso Puyehue/Cardenal Samoré on south/Patagonia (1300 mts high)

The northermost pass and the southermost pass are like 2000 km away from one another... The Andes, that divide Chile and Argentina, are VERY high mountains and there aren't any major cities close to them on both sides at the same time worth connecting (except, of course Santiago and Mendoza which are lacking a better road). The south of South America is in general a quite scarcely populated area specially on the Andes, I guess this is one of the reasons that made so slow the progress on paving more passes.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 10:19 PM   #6243
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Aren't there any plans for a more direct route bewteen Santiago and Mendoza? With some longer tunnels, lower max. altitude etc.
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Old June 3rd, 2012, 10:35 PM   #6244
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PL/CZ border near Bohumin. Photo from the Polish side, direction Bohumin, Ostrava. The bridge in the middle over Olše/Olza is on the Czech side just after the borderline.

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Old June 4th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #6245
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Today, the control was restored on borders of Poland with Czech Republic, Germany, Slovakia and Lithuania.
Border controls were introduced in relationship UEFA Euro 2012.
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Old June 4th, 2012, 07:35 AM   #6246
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As of today there are just 4 fully paved border crossings between Chile and Argentina:
(all of them suitable for truck traffic, the design on every case is a 1x1 highway with 80 to 110 km/h speed limit and mostly on good conditions)

And at Tierra del Fuego?
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Old June 4th, 2012, 04:15 PM   #6247
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And at Tierra del Fuego?
There's one border crossing fully paved and one being paved at this moment on that area... BUT it's kind of irrelevant for what we were talking cos just local traffic can use them, as the the road network of that part of Chile is completely unconnected to the rest of the country.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 07:46 PM   #6248
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And at Tierra del Fuego?
Remember Tiera del Fuego is an island. So to go there you need first to cross from Argentina to Chile, then take the ferry to cross the Magallanes strait. Then once in the island you have to cross back from Chile to Argentina. But those crossings are not so busy. Most traffic is cargo.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:08 PM   #6249
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There are three border crossings in Tierra del Fuego:

1 - Paso Alfa Cullen. It is just a technical pass, only for oil, gas and water pipelines, running between Argentina and Chile. And also for the employees that take care of this pipes. You can find it in the map below, where it says *6* Ea. El Salvador. Northern of the circle.


2 - Paso Rio Bella Vista. It goes through a river, so it is just for 4x4 vehicles, linking Puerto Porvenir in Argentina with Camerún, in Chile. This is important cause it links Chile with Rio Grande City.




3 - Paso San Sebastian. This is the main international pass in the island. This is the one on the nº 3 route, the route that links Ushuaia with Buenos Aires.


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The ferry.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 08:44 PM   #6250
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It's no longer "Tierra del Fuego, Antártida Argentina e Islas del Atlántico Sur"? Does that mean you've annexed the entire Antarctic now? ;-)
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It's no longer "Tierra del Fuego, Antártida Argentina e Islas del Atlántico Sur"? Does that mean you've annexed the entire Antarctic now? ;-)


As far as I know, the Antartic is not territory of any nation but there are some parts where countries manage the territory, mainly with scientific interests.

Argentina has its own part, in the nearest location to the country.




P.S. I have friends who went to Argentina on honeymoon. They arrived until Ushuaia after three weeks and returned Buenos Aires. Just arriving Buenos Aires and a general strike of Aerolineas Argentinas broke down. They had to be some days more in the capital and asking for a new plane in a Spanish company, as well they were not affected by the strike.

They said they gave thanks to be, for just some hours, at Buenos Aires when the strike started because being south... and with no other communication (are they at least three days on a bus?)... is to get crazy!
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Old June 6th, 2012, 10:20 PM   #6252
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Yes, Antarctica is claimed by a bunch of nations, including UK, France and Australia.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 10:22 PM   #6253
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Is that a bad thing? Nobody lives there anyway...
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Is that a bad thing? Nobody lives there anyway...
Try to explain it to the rest of the world when they will start drilling for oil or use it as a waste disposal.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #6255
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Is that a bad thing? Nobody lives there anyway...
Well, I've always thought the full name of the province of Tierra del Fuego - which I thought was "Tierra del Fuego, the Argentine Antarctic and the Islands of the South Atlantic" - was a bit...pretentious. I imagine some Brits may have stronger words than "pretentious" about the Islands of the South Atlantic (which are not unpopulated). Dropping the qualifier "Argentine" seems to make it more so. But it's possible I misremembered the full name.

Sort of like English monarchs claiming to be Queen or King of France in the extended version of their title. Do they still do that?
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Old June 6th, 2012, 11:10 PM   #6256
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Try to explain it to the rest of the world when they will start drilling for oil or use it as a waste disposal.
There is an agreement to protect it. Hopefully that means it will never be used for waste disposal. Unfortunately I think it will be very hard to protect it from the greed of oil companies.
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Old June 6th, 2012, 11:18 PM   #6257
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Sort of like English monarchs claiming to be Queen or King of France in the extended version of their title. Do they still do that?
Nope, I had a look on wikipedia
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And apparently that stopped under George III.

How was your Jubilee?
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And apparently that stopped under George III.

How was your Jubilee?
Normal bank holiday, nothing special
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