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Old June 7th, 2012, 09:36 AM   #6261
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There is an agreement to protect it. Hopefully that means it will never be used for waste disposal. Unfortunately I think it will be very hard to protect it from the greed of oil companies.
Agreement often have an expiration date. And the current agreement explicitly doesn't cancel territorial claims, it just puts them on hold.
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Old June 11th, 2012, 01:13 AM   #6262
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Hungary -> Austria

A small border crossing between Austria-Hungary


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Bozsok, Hungary




Rechnitz (Rohonc) - Austria
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Old June 11th, 2012, 02:14 AM   #6263
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Under Hungarian Alps.
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Old June 11th, 2012, 01:23 PM   #6264
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Interstate border crossing Jaša Tomić(SRB)-Foeni(RO). It's opened few times a year for a couple of weeks.

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Old June 11th, 2012, 01:34 PM   #6265
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Why's it only open a few times a year?
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Old June 11th, 2012, 01:44 PM   #6266
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Why's it only open a few times a year?
Maybe because road importance is low (local roads) and there is no need for it to be opened. I would prefer that this crossing is opened all year, because it's normal to make crossing the border easier for people. Like in EU, where there used to be many small border crossings between villages in different countries.
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Old June 11th, 2012, 02:53 PM   #6267
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Pedestrian bridge in the Spanish-French border.

At left is the province of Gipuzkoa (Basque Country, Spain) and at right the French Basque Country, in the Pyrénées-Atlantiques department (region of Aquitaine, France)

[IMG]http://i45.************/1zeb3vb.png[/IMG]
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Old June 11th, 2012, 03:23 PM   #6268
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Maybe because road importance is low (local roads) and there is no need for it to be opened. I would prefer that this crossing is opened all year, because it's normal to make crossing the border easier for people. Like in EU, where there used to be many small border crossings between villages in different countries.
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Old June 11th, 2012, 07:02 PM   #6269
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Austria-Hungary

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Deutschkreutz (Sopronkeresztúr), Austria


Welcome to Győr-Moson-Sopron county, Hungary


Old buildings, old road


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Old June 11th, 2012, 08:43 PM   #6270
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Maybe because road importance is low (local roads) and there is no need for it to be opened. I would prefer that this crossing is opened all year, because it's normal to make crossing the border easier for people. Like in EU, where there used to be many small border crossings between villages in different countries.


My region (Aragon, Spain) has three international borders with France (in fact four, since one of them can be crossed now by the tunnel or mountain pass).

Before Schengen as far as I remember, only the main one (the one that now it has a more than 8 km tunnel) was open 24h. The other ones had schedules... and where different depending on winter, summer, weekday, weekend. They were indicated but even people living there said they got crazy about border closure while night (sometimes at 0:00, sometimes at 20:00...).

Now the old customs keeps there but had no use.
The Somport tunnel was open in January 2003 and directly has no border cabins so should they want to put there a border check, they should have to improvise such in a normal road control.
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Old June 11th, 2012, 08:48 PM   #6271
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Pedestrian bridge in the Spanish-French border.

At left is the province of Gipuzkoa (Basque Country, Spain) and at right the French Basque Country, in the Pyrénées-Atlantiques department (region of Aquitaine, France)

[IMG]http://i45.************/1zeb3vb.png[/IMG]


Taken from this point.

First bridge is a narrow gauge railway San Sebastian-Hendaye (last stop is at Hendaye and do not continue, located besides the main Hendaye SNCF station)

Second bridge is the two gauges railway bridge (southern is international one, northern is Spanish gauge). There are Lille-Irun, Geneve-Irun, trains, Lisboa-Hendaye, Madrid-Hendaye, Barcelona-Hendaye trains... and a Madrid-Paris that has to change the gauge in the border.

Later the river turns 90ş to the right and in the Spanish side there is a little airport. Take a look to distance to the border...
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Old June 12th, 2012, 05:35 PM   #6272
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There are three border crossings in Tierra del Fuego:

1 - Paso Alfa Cullen. It is just a technical pass, only for oil, gas and water pipelines, running between Argentina and Chile. And also for the employees that take care of this pipes. You can find it in the map below, where it says *6* Ea. El Salvador. Northern of the circle.


2 - Paso Rio Bella Vista. It goes through a river, so it is just for 4x4 vehicles, linking Puerto Porvenir in Argentina with Camerún, in Chile. This is important cause it links Chile with Rio Grande City.

3 - Paso San Sebastian. This is the main international pass in the island. This is the one on the nş 3 route, the route that links Ushuaia with Buenos Aires.

Customs.

The ferry.
Last year I went from Punta Arenas (Chile) to Ushuaia (Argentina) by car. The roads in continental Chile are superb, all paved with concrete despite the almost complete absence of traffic! In Tierra del Fuego, the pavement goes only until Cerro Sombrero, about 40km further inland from the Magellan Strait, and then you have to go through 120km of some sort of gravel to get to Argentina, where you can find asphalt again. You can actually reach some good speeds there in the Chilean unpaved road, but you need a good car in order to do so.

Paso San Sebastián is fine, we didn't go through any lines in our way in, but in the return there were TWO buses in front of us and we had to wait for more than an hour to get through customs. And bus travel is very common down here in South America, so when traveling by car, be prepared for lines in the borders.

Oh, and why are they doing border control again in Poland?
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Old June 12th, 2012, 06:34 PM   #6273
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Oh, and why are they doing border control again in Poland?
Schengen agreement for a country can be suspended in case of important international events, in this case Euro 2012.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 07:53 PM   #6274
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They're dismantling many old border crossing buildings these days on the Slovenian border. I don't agree with that. You never know when we'll need them again.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 07:55 PM   #6275
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Does it make the roads on the Slovenian border make more fluid, like between France and Spain?
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Old June 12th, 2012, 09:43 PM   #6276
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I don't think they're much more fluid just because of that. They'd have to make new pavement for that. It won't be like A5-M70 on the Hungarian border.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 10:46 PM   #6277
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About borders in Uefa Euro 2012

- Greece has no borders with other countries there
- Czech Rep. has borders with Poland (host) and Germany
- Poland has borders with Germany, Czech R. and Russia (yeah... that small "Russian corner") and of course, Ukraine.
Russia has borders with both host countries: Ukraine and Poland
- Denmark has border with Germany and... with Sweeden (bridge and tunnel)
- Portugal has border with Spain
- Netherlands has border with Germany
- Germany has border with Netherlands, Denmark, Poland, France and Czech Rep.
- Italy has border with France
- Croatia..... has no border with other countries (very near Italy but no border)
- Spain has border with France and Portugal (should we consider England because Gibraltar or that should be considered only United Kingdom?)
- Ireland has no borders (we should consider England only, so no borders...)
- Ukraine (host) has border with Russia and Poland (host)
- Sweeden has border with Denmark (tunnel and bridge)
- France has border with England, Germany, Spain and Italy.
- England has border with France (eurotunnel). (I do not consider Ireland as well). And upside down, do we consider Spain?
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Old June 14th, 2012, 12:16 AM   #6278
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Some pics of tripoints in the world:

Finland - Sweden - Norway


Ghana - Togo - Burkina Faso


Botswana - Namibia - South Africa


South Africa - Mozambique - Zimbawe


Austria - Germany - Czech Republic






Austria - Czech Republic - Slovakia


Belgium - Netherlands - Germany


Belarus - Russia - Ukraine


Bolivia - Chile - Peru


Argentina - Brazil - Paraguay


Brazil - Colombia - Peru


Chile - Bolivia - Argentina


China - North Korea - Russia


Finland - Norway - Russia


France - Germany - Switzerland


Italy - Slovenia - Austria


Lithuania - Latvia - Belarus


Lithuania - Poland - Belarus


Poland - Germany - Czech Republic


Poland - Czech Republic - Slovakia




Poland - Russia - Lithuania


Poland - Slovakia - Ukraine


Turkey - Greece - Bulgaria


Ukraine - Hungary - Romania


Hungary - Slovakia - Austria


Venezuela - Brazil - Guyana


Bolivia - Chile - Peru


Italy - Switzerland - Austria
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Old June 14th, 2012, 12:30 AM   #6279
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Venezuela - Brazil - Guyana
Weird landscape.
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Old June 14th, 2012, 12:39 AM   #6280
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Weird landscape.
Not much greenery at 2700 m.
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