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Old October 23rd, 2012, 05:02 PM   #6601
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I don't quite understand what you mean.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 06:14 PM   #6602
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I don't quite understand what you mean.
Just a curiosity... a little team plays an European volley champions league. They land by plane in Belgium and, going to the other corner of Belgium, fastest way is crossing twice border with Netherlands
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 07:31 PM   #6603
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Just a curiosity... a little team plays an European volley champions league. They land by plane in Belgium and, going to the other corner of Belgium, fastest way is crossing twice border with Netherlands
In Europe there are dozens of istances where the shortest of fastest route between two places in the same country is throgh another country
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 07:34 PM   #6604
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In Europe there are dozens of istances where the shortest of fastest route between two places in the same country is throgh another country
Faster mostly only when both countries are in Schengen or at least in the EU where border controls are more relaxed.
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 11:56 PM   #6605
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In Europe there are dozens of istances where the shortest of fastest route between two places in the same country is throgh another country
Nova Gorica western bypass.

https://maps.google.si/maps?saddr=Po...via=1&t=m&z=14

it is the worst road in Gorizia though
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Old October 24th, 2012, 12:15 AM   #6606
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^The fastest route from Geneva to Lugano in Switzerland takes you through France and Italy. :p
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Old October 24th, 2012, 12:21 AM   #6607
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also the most expensive one
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Old October 24th, 2012, 12:38 AM   #6608
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Austria: Innsbruck - Salzburg via Germany
Italy: Cuneo - Ventimiglia via France and Cividale - Tarvisio via Slovenia.

Sometimes the more convenient route between two places in neighbour countries run through a third country: Aosta - Geneve through France or Trieste - Graz via Slovenia.

Does Croats drive from Osijek to Dubrovnik via BiH?
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 01:10 AM   #6609
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Halden and Kirkenes in Norway are connected by a single road, E6. However, the shortest and fastest route between these two goes through two foreign countries, Sweden and Finland.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 09:29 AM   #6610
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Halden and Kirkenes in Norway are connected by a single road, E6. However, the shortest and fastest route between these two goes through two foreign countries, Sweden and Finland.
The other way round, the fastest route between the NW and NE areas of the northern Finland goes over the Norwegian routes 92 and 93.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 06:58 PM   #6611
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The shortest route between Lleida and Foix takes you through Andorra.

And the fastest way between, lets say, Vigo and Seville (Both in Spain) is crossing all the lenght of Portugal.
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Old October 24th, 2012, 07:33 PM   #6612
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The shortest route between Lleida and Foix takes you through Andorra.
But maybe not the faster... it is impossible to drive more than 50 at Andorra (and sometimes it is a continous street with houses in both sides of the road...)

What it is useful is for connections from Atlantic to Mediterranean. For instance, a Gerona-San Sebastián takes similar via Zaragoza or via Toulouse... so somewhere in the middle will take faster via France. This is because Pyrenees fall down faster in France than in Spain. So the, there is a motorway near them in France while in Spain is almost impossible (and A-21 is under construction)


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And the fastest way between, lets say, Vigo and Seville (Both in Spain) is crossing all the lenght of Portugal.
I think one year ago I posted a message about a football strike that made several teams to plan trips with a few days, in August and sometimes no possibility for a plane. One of the records was the team of Huelva who had to go to La Coruña and they crossed all Portugal south to north. It is a bit faster than going inside Spain.


The last case (and following the example of football teams, every year they have a match in every stadium) is Ceuta and Melilla. They can choose Melilla-Malaga by plane and Malaga-Ceuta by helicopter, they can choose Melilla-Almeria by ferry, Almeria-Algeciras by bus and Algeciras-Ceuta by ferry... or just by bus crossing half Morocco.
Near Ceuta there are good roads but they aren't near Melilla which is almost in the middle of nowhere.
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Old October 25th, 2012, 11:03 PM   #6613
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Of course, any road connection between Kaliningrad oblast and any other area in Russia goes through at least two foreign countries. The shortest route from Kaliningrad to St. Petersburg, however, goes through three.

Any more examples like this?
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Old October 25th, 2012, 11:44 PM   #6614
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Of course, any road connection between Kaliningrad oblast and any other area in Russia goes through at least two foreign countries. The shortest route from Kaliningrad to St. Petersburg, however, goes through three.

Any more examples like this?
From northern France to northern Germany through Belgium and the Netherlands.
From Austria to Switzerland through Liechtenstein.
There are few routes between Italian villages that are shorter/faster through San Marino.
From Poland to Romania via Slovakia and Hungary (instead of through Ukraine, difficult border).
From Stockholm to North Cape via Finland.
From Prague to Vienna via Bratislava.
From Salzburg to Prague via Munich.

About trips within the same country I may include Nova Gorica - Koper and Sezana - Koper via Trieste.

The fast route between Brennero and Tarvisio, both in Italy is via Austria and Germany!

When (if) north Africa will be in peace the shortest route between Palermo and Algeciras will be through another continent (with two ferries).
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Old October 26th, 2012, 01:01 AM   #6615
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In America it will be difficult to have more than one country crossing but this is the most curious case
http://maps.google.es/maps?q=ciudad+...+Paraguay&z=12

Paraguay, Brazil and Argentina join together in the middle of two rivers.

There are bridges Brazil-Argentina and Brazil-Paraguay but there aren't Argentina-Paraguay. In fact, look at this way... almost all AR-PY border is a river and there are few, few, few bridges.

The fastest way to go from Ciudad del Este (translation would be Eastern City) in Paraguay to Puerto Iguazú in Argentina is crossing Brazil for a while.

But it is well known that Ciudad del Este is almost a duty free city and Brazilian customs are very strong there. So then... there are some ferries that go from Paraguay to Argentina using only the PY or AR side of the river, avoiding Brazilian territory.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 01:29 AM   #6616
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The fast route between Brennero and Tarvisio, both in Italy is via Austria and Germany!
Yes, but Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg are both in Russia, and the shortest route goes through Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.
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Of course, any road connection between Kaliningrad oblast and any other area in Russia goes through at least two foreign countries. The shortest route from Kaliningrad to St. Petersburg, however, goes through three.

Any more examples like this?
There is a number of such exclaves and pene-exclaves around the world. German Büsingen in Switzerland, Belgian Baarle-Hertog in the Netherlands, Kleinwalsertal in Austria and Alaska in the US, for example.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 09:00 AM   #6618
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There is a number of such exclaves and pene-exclaves around the world. German Büsingen in Switzerland, Belgian Baarle-Hertog in the Netherlands, Kleinwalsertal in Austria and Alaska in the US, for example.
Point Roberts, Washington, USA and the rest of the USA. Ditto Angle Inlet, Minnesota, USA and the rest of the USA. One must pass though part of Canada to go to and from them by road.

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Is there an important traffic to go to Alaska by road or all freight and passengers go by ferry or plane?
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Old October 26th, 2012, 04:01 PM   #6620
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Additional Canada/US oddities

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Point Roberts, Washington, USA and the rest of the USA. Ditto Angle Inlet, Minnesota, USA and the rest of the USA. One must pass though part of Canada to go to and from them by road.

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And let us not forget Hyde, Alaska which must be road accessed from Stewart, BC, and Campobello Island, New Brunswick which must be road accessed from Lubec, Maine.
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