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Old October 28th, 2012, 02:27 AM   #6661
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There's the Moroccan Wall between them and yes, they control it. If you wanna go to Mauritania, you have to cross the Polisario-controlled area for a few kms (gravel road).
They don't control anything. Not even the territories east of the wall, because the Polisario are around Tindouf, in Algeria.
If you want to go to Mauritania from Morocco, you'll have to cross a 4km (or so) no man's land (but this strip of land is not controlled at all by Polisario).
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Old October 28th, 2012, 02:31 AM   #6662
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And... If you do not have any stamp in your passport?

You can have a new passport because last one was expired, or just you can have gone to somewhere with no passport stamps.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 08:33 AM   #6663
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They don't control anything. Not even the territories east of the wall, because the Polisario are around Tindouf, in Algeria.
If you want to go to Mauritania from Morocco, you'll have to cross a 4km (or so) no man's land (but this strip of land is not controlled at all by Polisario).
No, but Morocco controls the "border" at the Moroccan Wall, doesn't it? It's effectively almost a border with Mauritania in that area.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #6664
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In the right downer corner Mauritania has a railway very close to the border... and it is not often to see a railway in those areas
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Old October 28th, 2012, 12:49 PM   #6665
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In the right downer corner Mauritania has a railway very close to the border... and it is not often to see a railway in those areas
Mauritania is famous for its long trains which are transporting iron ore from inner part of the country to the ports
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Old October 28th, 2012, 01:51 PM   #6666
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How is possible to have two passports at the same time?
Anyone born in Northern Ireland is entitled to a British or Irish passport. Many have both.

A friend of mine was born in Australia to British parents and holds both a British & Oz passport.
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Old November 1st, 2012, 11:40 PM   #6667
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 02:25 AM   #6668
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About a month ago, I took this route between southern Burgenland and Vienna. I did a short detour and crossed 4 times the Austrian - Hungarian border.



More details of the southern part of the route:


At point A the first border crossing, from Heilingenbrunn (A) to Vasalja (H)


No trace of old border post, just stones and signs. I think this crossing was opened after 2007.

At the border crossing B (Vasalja - Moskendorf) I re-entered Austria. Strangely, there was no sign of any kind marking the border and no trace of former border posts. Just a stone on the side of the road. So, I initially though that the border matched with the road edge and the entire road was still in Hungary. Only when I see the entry sign of Moschendorf, about 1km after the actual border, I realized I was in Austria!
So, no pics of that crossing.

At point C, I crossed again into Hungary using the Eberau - Szentpérfa border crossing. This is a major crossing, with still old boots left.
View from Austria towards Hungary:



Short stop in the city of Szombathely, to see the centre and get ride in a supermarket of some Hungarian forints that a my cousing had as left over from a trip.
I read that during communism that city and the surronding area were off-limit for non-residents Hungarians because it was too close to the Western Europe and escaping risks were high.





I continued in direction North, towards the Austrian border, between Koszeg (H) and Mannersdorf an der Rabnitz (A) (point D on my map).






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Old November 3rd, 2012, 02:50 AM   #6669
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I did a short detour and crossed 4 times the Austrian - Hungarian border.
any particular reason for doing that?
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 02:58 AM   #6670
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any particular reason for doing that?
We visited my cousin who lives in southern Burgenland and later we went to Vienna.
The route I took was only few km longer than the trip entirely in Austria. I never went to Hungary before, I wanted to see how it looks like and how are border crossing now. I planned to fill my tank in Hungary thinking it was a lot cheaper than in Austria but it wasn't so I didn't.
I would never have done that if I had to stop at every border.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 03:00 AM   #6671
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I filled my tank for 1,37 € (!!!) (super 95) in Salzburg couple of days ago. I made it full of course.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 03:04 AM   #6672
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I filled my tank for 1,37 € (!!!) (super 95) in Salzburg couple of days ago. I made it full of course.
In fact in Austria fuel is very cheap compared with their high standards of living, even cheaper than in the much poorer Hungary (where I would also be cheated on the exchange rate).
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 05:22 AM   #6673
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We visited my cousin who lives in southern Burgenland and later we went to Vienna.
The route I took was only few km longer than the trip entirely in Austria. I never went to Hungary before, I wanted to see how it looks like and how are border crossing now. I planned to fill my tank in Hungary thinking it was a lot cheaper than in Austria but it wasn't so I didn't.
I would never have done that if I had to stop at every border.
It's so cool that you can do that!

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In fact in Austria fuel is very cheap compared with their high standards of living, even cheaper than in the much poorer Hungary (where I would also be cheated on the exchange rate).
Is Hungary really that much poorer, still? (Not doubting you; I'm just surprised to hear it.)
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 12:02 PM   #6674
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Is Hungary really that much poorer, still? (Not doubting you; I'm just surprised to hear it.)
Yes, definitely. Visiting only the border area can make false feelings, for it is the least wealthy region of Austria and the wealthiest region of Hungary (not counting Buda), but here, too, the differences are very clear.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 12:25 PM   #6675
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Is Hungary really that much poorer, still? (Not doubting you; I'm just surprised to hear it.)
GDP per capita 2011 in Austria is almost twice as much. If EU27 = 100, Austria and Hungary are , respectively, 129 and 66.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 12:33 PM   #6676
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GDP per capita can be misleading if the cost of living is not factored in. Especially the cost of housing.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 03:06 PM   #6677
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I was assuming that this long after the end of communism, the ex-Eastern bloc states would be closer to western living standards.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 03:10 PM   #6678
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you must consider that western europe had the marshall-plan from the US, after world war 2 to ignite their economy, which eastern europe never had (because stalin forbid us to take it). after the fall of communism in '89 there was no help from anybody -> until we joined the eu in 2004, which by all means is not to be compared with something like a marshall plan.

anyway, some eastern european countries are on a good way to meet western standards some day. hungary is not among them.

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Old November 3rd, 2012, 03:19 PM   #6679
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As a matter of fact the Soviets removed a lot of eastern European machinery to the Soviet Union as war reparations in the 1950s. I believe this was especially the case in Romania and Bulgaria (which were axis powers).

The 1990s were economic hardship for the post-communist countries. A lot of their economy was based on Soviet demand, which fell away after the COMECON dissolved in 1991. The former communist industry was no match for western European competition, despite wages being much lower in the post-communist countries.

Poland was one of the first countries to emerge back at their pre-1990 level, but it was only until recent years when the economy really grew. Note that percentage growth doesn't say much if the numbers are small. 10% growth at index 010 is much smaller than 5% growth at index 100.
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Old November 3rd, 2012, 04:53 PM   #6680
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Yes, definitely. Visiting only the border area can make false feelings, for it is the least wealthy region of Austria and the wealthiest region of Hungary (not counting Buda), but here, too, the differences are very clear.
Absolutely true.
When I crossed into Hungary for the 1st time I arrived in a village that was much different to the nearby Austria: untidy houses, tall grass on the roads' curb,... when I continued into Hungarian territory I noticed that other areas were much better than the first thing I saw. The center of Szombathely was also quite tidy. I felt like in western Europe and I got the false feeling that Hungary was doing quite well, but after reading about the situation of Eastern Hungary...
The Austrian Burgenland is very rural, very different from Tyrol, Carintia, Salzburg or Vienna regions. But absolutely not undeveloped and untidy. Austrian countryside is much better than the Italian one, with trashy road edges being a rare thing.
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