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Old November 10th, 2012, 11:02 PM   #6721
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When the motorways in Bulgaria are finished,traffic wiil double,hence the amount of gates will double!(eliminate bottlenecks).
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Old November 11th, 2012, 12:42 AM   #6722
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Are customs so strong coming from Turkey?
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Old November 11th, 2012, 02:15 AM   #6723
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I've checked it in Google Earth (It's the one on E80 near BG/GR/TR tripoint), and it seems to have only 36 lanes. So ChrisZwolle was confused. If it really had 72 lanes, it would have been far larger than the toll plaza on E54 Southeast of Paris.
In the article it says there will be 72 lanes after the reconstruction. On the Bulgarian side thecrossing ismuch smaller than the Turkish side and that creates bottlenecks. 72 lanes seems crazy though.

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Old November 11th, 2012, 02:16 AM   #6724
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Are customs so strong coming from Turkey?
It's an external EU border. The least they do is check your passport in the system.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 08:58 AM   #6725
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That is not standard procedures when entering the EU or Schengen. The last time I entered Slovenia from Croatia, I could immediately drive through without any check. A Dutch licence plate and a very nice friendly face were enough, I think
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Old November 11th, 2012, 10:44 AM   #6726
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Yes, the procedures are usually more relaxed for EU-citizens, although the former gastarbeiters are specific EU citizens. And often in their cars and minivans are discovered such things |(all pictures are from Kapitan Andreevo border crossing):

heroin in LPG tank


heroin under seats


gold hidden in bags with clothes


Illegal immigrants (this time three Syrians) in double-back of bus (very often also in car trunks etc.)


Cigarettes in bread


But of course, biggest quantities are held in trucks:





And these are unfortunately not few separate cases but happens almost daily. That's why just an EU car license plate and a nice smile isn't enough.

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Old November 11th, 2012, 11:32 AM   #6727
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That is not standard procedures when entering the EU or Schengen. The last time I entered Slovenia from Croatia, I could immediately drive through without any check. A Dutch licence plate and a very nice friendly face were enough, I think
It should be the standard procedure. The Schengen external border is to be kept hard. Every such a case not following the policy reduces the credibility of the system, and makes its existence questionable.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 12:26 PM   #6728
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About a year ago a Serbian truck filled with illegally-carried guns and other firearms was discovered during a random check at the SLO-I border at Fernetti. This show how well patrolled is the external Schengen border.

When I entered Schengen area in 2008 after a holiday in Croatia, cars were let flow quickly at the Rupa border crossing (just a look at IDs), but a Polish van was stopped for a while and inspected on the rightmost gate.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 12:29 PM   #6729
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There's no need to smuggle 2-3 packs of cigs hidden in that way. It's a quantity you can carry legally for yourself. Those packs were probably filled with something else than tobacco.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 02:02 PM   #6730
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It's not said that it was only one such bread They may have had a whole van full of bread Anyway, I'm too lazy now to search for the news article, to find out...
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Old November 11th, 2012, 03:29 PM   #6731
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It should be the standard procedure. The Schengen external border is to be kept hard. Every such a case not following the policy reduces the credibility of the system, and makes its existence questionable.
I agree, although Croatia will join the EU anyway next year. We'll see how soon it will join the Schengen agreement.

Will there be same kind of problems at Croatia-Serbia and Croatia-BiH-borders? And further on and on until the whole old Yugoslavia has joined?

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Old November 11th, 2012, 03:49 PM   #6732
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I agree, although Croatia will join the EU anyway next year. We'll see how soon it will join the Schengen agreement.

Will there be same kind of problems at Croatia-Serbia and Croatia-BiH-borders? And further on and on until the whole old Yugoslavia has joined?
Yes. Croatia won't join Schengen soon for this reason. Currently its border checks are too lax, especially in the Neum corridor. They should build a bridge or a fenced motorway with no junctions with Bosnian roads.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 04:06 PM   #6733
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Yes. Croatia won't join Schengen soon for this reason. Currently its border checks are too lax, especially in the Neum corridor. They should build a bridge or a fenced motorway with no junctions with Bosnian roads.
There used to be a road like that going from the Netherlands to the Netherlands through Germany. It used to be a Dutch road, you were not able to come off or get on in Germany. The Niederländische Durchgangsstraße it was called. Obviously now after Schengen it's a proper German road with roundabouts, so the German locals can use it as well.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 05:13 PM   #6734
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There used to be a road like that going from the Netherlands to the Netherlands through Germany. It used to be a Dutch road, you were not able to come off or get on in Germany. The Niederländische Durchgangsstraße it was called. Obviously now after Schengen it's a proper German road with roundabouts, so the German locals can use it as well.
Also the Osimo road in Slovenia, connecting Solkan and Podsabotin (near Nova Gorica) through Italy. Even with Schengen, it's still unconnected with the Italian network.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 06:06 PM   #6735
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Road signs and lay-out remains Slovenian?
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Old November 11th, 2012, 06:09 PM   #6736
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There used to be a road like that going from the Netherlands to the Netherlands through Germany. It used to be a Dutch road, you were not able to come off or get on in Germany. The Niederländische Durchgangsstraße it was called. Obviously now after Schengen it's a proper German road with roundabouts, so the German locals can use it as well.
This is interesting, where is that road on the map?
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Old November 11th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #6737
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I think it's this one
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Old November 11th, 2012, 06:15 PM   #6738
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I think it's this one
Yes, that's the one.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 06:20 PM   #6739
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I knew there was a similar situation (with a railroad, though, rather than a road) along the German/Belgian border - a Belgian railroad that cuts through German territory.

When I scrolled down to find it, look how they treat the border: https://maps.google.nl/maps?hl=nl&ll...19383&t=m&z=12
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Old November 11th, 2012, 06:23 PM   #6740
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thanks, it's strange at first because Netherlands dont have enclave like Croatia for this type of road.
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