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Old November 12th, 2012, 08:37 PM   #6761
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I read something about area exchange between BiH and Cro.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 08:43 PM   #6762
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I read something about area exchange between BiH and Cro.

Do you remember where? I'd like to know more about it.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 08:54 PM   #6763
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Do you remember where? I'd like to know more about it.
Never heard of this. I don't think BiH would ever accept to lose its only access to the sea for make room to the Croatian motorway. However Neum is inhabitated mostly by Croats. I think the exchange involves only tiny parts of land (such de disputed area between SLO and HR in the Piran gulf) and the bridge need to be built anyway. BiH isn't even an EU candidate so that border will last for decades.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 09:28 PM   #6764
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Never heard of this. I don't think BiH would ever accept to lose its only access to the sea for make room to the Croatian motorway. However Neum is inhabitated mostly by Croats. I think the exchange involves only tiny parts of land (such de disputed area between SLO and HR in the Piran gulf) and the bridge need to be built anyway. BiH isn't even an EU candidate so that border will last for decades.
In Croatian news there was information about exchanging Neum for a Croatian peninsula (Prevlaka). It doesn't seem to be a realistic plan though.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 11:26 PM   #6765
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In Croatian news there was information about exchanging Neum for a Croatian peninsula (Prevlaka). It doesn't seem to be a realistic plan though.
Also cause this new Bosnian land would be an exclave, unlikely Neum that is connected with the rest of the country.

Probably most people don't know that the Neum corridory dates back to the XVII century, when the rival Venice and Ragusa republics agreed to set a neutral land between them to avoid conflicts.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 07:09 AM   #6766
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Also the Osimo road in Slovenia, connecting Solkan and Podsabotin (near Nova Gorica) through Italy. Even with Schengen, it's still unconnected with the Italian network.
There's a local road serving a tiny village called Saatse in Estonia. The road goes through a Russian territory know as "Saatse saabas" (Saatse boot) in Estonian. Even though this is a Schengen exterior border, people are allowed to drive across the Russian territory without stopping. In fact, stopping is prohibited, as is walking. You won't see Russian border patrols when crossing this area, but be assured that they will see you. I don't know what the rules say about a car breakdown there, and am not planning to find out.

The Russian territory cut off by this Estonian road is approximately 1 square-km in area. Is is uninhabited and has absolutely no significance to Russia whatsoever. It will be transferred to Estonia in exchage of other territory of equal size as soon as the border treaty is ratified, but as there is some disagreement on the exact words of the treaty, this might take some time

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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:35 AM   #6767
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Yesterday there was a problem with the computer system on the Turkish side of Kapikule - Kapitan Andreevo... So the queue of trucks reached about some 15 km on each side (which means approximately som 700-800 trucks waiting?). So the daily statistics of over 1000 trucks sounds plausible.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:45 AM   #6768
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There's a local road serving a tiny village called Saatse in Estonia. The road goes through a Russian territory know as "Saatse saabas" (Saatse boot) in Estonian. Even though this is a Schengen border, people are allowed to drive across the Russian territory without stopping. In fact, stopping is prohibited, as is walking. You won't see Russian border patrols when crossing this area, but be assured that they will see you. I don't know what the rules say about a car breakdown there, and am not planning to find out.
There are such arrangements elsewehere, too. Perhaps the most well-known ones are the roads leading to the "shared" airports of Basel and Geneva. The Basel airport is located in France, and there is a road from Switzerland to the Swiss sector having no access to the French road network. A similar setup is in use to access the French sector of the Geneva airport in Switzerland.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 01:08 PM   #6769
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Probably most people don't know that the Neum corridory dates back to the XVII century, when the rival Venice and Ragusa republics agreed to set a neutral land between them to avoid conflicts.

Seems interesting. Do you have more information?
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Old November 13th, 2012, 01:57 PM   #6770
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The Neum region cuts Croatia into two non-contiguous parts. This is a result of the Treaty of Karlowitz of 1699. In this treaty the Republic of Ragusa gave the Neum region to the Ottoman Empire to ensure that it would not border on the encroaching Venetian Republic.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 05:38 PM   #6771
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Are Croatians considering the bridge or tunnel to became more self-sufficient?


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Old November 13th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #6772
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No, there will be a fenced road through BIH.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 05:58 PM   #6773
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To stay on Pelješasc topic. In Croatian subforum a floating bridge proposal has been posted recently as a contra-proposal of some architects, any further details to that?
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Old November 13th, 2012, 06:09 PM   #6774
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To stay on Pelješasc topic. In Croatian subforum a floating bridge proposal has been posted recently as a contra-proposal of some architects, any further details to that?
BIH will never agree with it because they hope to have MSC Splendida one day in that shallow bay.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 07:06 PM   #6775
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BIH will never agree with it because they hope to have MSC Splendida one day in that shallow bay.
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Old November 13th, 2012, 07:41 PM   #6776
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No, there will be a fenced road through BIH.
I always considered that this would be the best option.

Do you know from a reliable source that this will be the final solution?
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Old November 13th, 2012, 07:55 PM   #6777
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Old November 13th, 2012, 08:11 PM   #6778
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3rd photo reminded me of typical russian provincional town, i thought there's a orthodox church on the picture. As well, as those commieblocks enhance that impression
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:15 PM   #6779
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Old November 13th, 2012, 11:17 PM   #6780
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3rd photo reminded me of typical russian provincional town, i thought there's a orthodox church on the picture. As well, as those commieblocks enhance that impression
You wouldn't find a Nazi billboard there
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