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Old January 22nd, 2013, 07:50 PM   #6921
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What are these monumental buildings good for, if you can´t see it whole from a train window?
You can see it from the road where the pic is taken.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 10:48 PM   #6922
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In Manzhouli there are a lot of coal mines. I think that they have the "fuel" to fill up the trains.
Come on, are you serious It's not the 19th century and trains are not pulled by steam engines There are no trains on coal any more, except few touristic attractions... And I don't know a technology that produces diesel from coal
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 11:30 PM   #6923
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Come on, are you serious It's not the 19th century and trains are not pulled by steam engines There are no trains on coal any more, except few touristic attractions... And I don't know a technology that produces diesel from coal
don't be so sure. google "Wolsztyn trains" and you could be surprised

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Old January 23rd, 2013, 12:05 AM   #6924
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don't be so sure. google "Wolsztyn trains" and you could be surprised

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It's probably a historical train used only by tourists, like the one that run once a year between Gorizia Centrale and Bled on the historical Transalpina railway that used to connect Trieste Campo Marzio with Ceske Budejovice.
Between Nova Gorica (the famous station that stands few meters from the border) and Bled still run regular passenger services.
But since 2011 no regular passenger train runs between the two Schengen member while there were several when there was the iron curtain in between.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 12:10 AM   #6925
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It's probably a historical train used only by tourists, like the one that run once a year between Gorizia Centrale and Bled on the historical Transalpina railway that used to connect Trieste Campo Marzio with Ceske Budejovice.
Between Nova Gorica (the famous station that stands few meters from the border) and Bled still run regular passenger services.
But since 2011 no regular passenger train runs between the two Schengen member while there were several when there was the iron curtain in between.
i have written on purpose to search on google about trains in Wolsztyn because there are last commercial operations of steam trains in Europe.
touristic steam trains are not interesting, you can find them everywhere.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 02:26 AM   #6926
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It's probably a historical train used only by tourists, like the one that run once a year between Gorizia Centrale and Bled on the historical Transalpina railway that used to connect Trieste Campo Marzio with Ceske Budejovice.
Between Nova Gorica (the famous station that stands few meters from the border) and Bled still run regular passenger services.
But since 2011 no regular passenger train runs between the two Schengen member while there were several when there was the iron curtain in between.
railway links are bad because at least in Slovenia we still have old austrian railways from 1844, almost nothing changed. hopefully in the next decade there will be some investments in railway network so it will become appealing to the passangers.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 09:00 AM   #6927
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railway links are bad because at least in Slovenia we still have old austrian railways from 1844, almost nothing changed. hopefully in the next decade there will be some investments in railway network so it will become appealing to the passangers.
That's not an excuse to cut off a vital international link. If you want to go by train from Lisboa to Istanbul the only gap you have to cover by bus is between Trieste and Sezana.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 09:47 AM   #6928
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That's not an excuse to cut off a vital international link. If you want to go by train from Lisboa to Istanbul the only gap you have to cover by bus is between Trieste and Sezana.
Why? Villach is now the crossroad for trains from Balkans.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 10:12 AM   #6929
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Why? Villach is now the crossroad for trains from Balkans.
It's a long detour towards the north.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 10:24 AM   #6930
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I do know that this is a forum for roads... but as far as there are not many railway "borders", let me post this photo.

It is the Figueres Vilafant station. The photo is old and situation has changed.

Right train is a Paris-Figueres Vilafant TGV with several stops
Left train WAS a Barcelona-Figueres Vilafant. Since two weeks ago there is high speed lane to Figueres and there are eight daily services from Madrid, two of them with connection to a train to Paris. It requires only 15-20 minutes for link.

It is enough to get out one train, take your luggage, walk around the platform and take the other train... These are "all customs controls".

Today there are only two daily services to Paris but it is expected to enlarge them in spring, and incluiding other southern French cities as well as Swiss ones.

Maybe not many people will take the train point to point but it will worth for in-between stations.
And... no weight restrictions if travelling there. You haven't to take a 10 kg baggage only or something like that






In the Railway forum there are several threads with further information
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 05:11 PM   #6931
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Come on, are you serious It's not the 19th century and trains are not pulled by steam engines
The last two places with steam engines are somewhere in China, and Wolsztyn, but the latter is more a museum operation mixed with real runs (i.e. it runs real routes, but is mostly a tourist attraction).
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The last two places with steam engines are somewhere in China, and Wolsztyn, but the latter is more a museum operation mixed with real runs (i.e. it runs real routes, but is mostly a tourist attraction).
as far as i know they still use steam powered locomotions in Zimbabwe.
also, there is narrow gauge steam railway in Bosnia and Herzegovina used to pull out the coal from the mine Banovići
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Old January 24th, 2013, 01:15 AM   #6933
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as far as i know they still use steam powered locomotions in Zimbabwe.
also, there is narrow gauge steam railway in Bosnia and Herzegovina used to pull out the coal from the mine Banovići
Also a fully functional steam railway in northern Romania. Please, don't let yourselves fooled : despite being a tourist attraction, its main purpose is in fact to transport wood on a 43km long narrow gauge track, from the mountain forests near Ukrainian border to the small town of Vișeu de Sus, where the wood is loaded into lorries.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 04:27 PM   #6934
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That's not an excuse to cut off a vital international link. If you want to go by train from Lisboa to Istanbul the only gap you have to cover by bus is between Trieste and Sezana.
yes, but slo railways are stupid and run by syndicates.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 04:28 PM   #6935
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yes, but slo railways are stupid and run by syndicates.
C'est du franglais, ça. You mean "unions."

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Old January 24th, 2013, 04:41 PM   #6936
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yes, but slo railways are stupid and run by syndicates.
It's not a problem of Slovenians railways. Trenitalia in 2011 cancelled the Euronight service between Venice and Budapest, via Opicina, Ljubljana and Zagreb.
Trains between Gorizia and Nova Gorica ceased decades ago; the same happened to the Trieste-Rijeka and Trieste-Pula routes.
Times when Trieste was a main European railway hub are long gone.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 04:44 PM   #6937
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Despite what governments may say, there's a precise and long-term plan to tear down non-high speed trains and railways in all Europe.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #6938
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Despite what governments may say, there's a precise and long-term plan to tear down non-high speed trains and railways in all Europe.
Italy closed thousands of km of local railways since the 50s since they became unprofitable when road transport became more competitive with the mass motorization and the improvement of the road network.
This could make sense for local lines connecting small villages, but the Fernetti link isn't a local line! It's a very important international line, like Ventimiglia, Frejus, Simplon, Gothard, Brenner and Tarvisio.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 06:39 PM   #6939
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Italy closed thousands of km of local railways since the 50s since they became unprofitable when road transport became more competitive with the mass motorization and the improvement of the road network.
That is the simplified version. It's much more than just road transport becoming more efficient than railways, nearly all industries and distribution changed since the 1950s/1960s, operating with computerized "just in time" distribution systems, something unsuitable for rail transportation, fast or slow. Back in the days nearly all major industrial estates had railway access, nowadays it's just a few dedicated industrial sectors which still use rail transport (like car production, some steel industry and some remaining heavy industry). In the Netherlands more industry has water access than direct rail access.
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