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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:25 PM   #681
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Yeah, but anything can be expected from the Slovenes. The Monaco police saw your Slovenian licence plate, so they thought ok, they are Slovenians, it's normal.
Yeah, we could just walk out in France and go to Monaco on foot.

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It's a bit as if they put a Slovenian sign "Benetke" at the entrance of Venice.
Yeah, I'd rather see "Trst".

Btw, are the "Roazhon" and "Nissa" signs damaged?
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:39 PM   #682
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I Think there is the sign of Tireste in slovenian language Trst. Indeed, everything is written in italian and slovenian near the border with Slovenia. What I think is really stupid is that Carabinieri is translated too in Carabinjeri.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:39 PM   #683
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I don't wanna go OT, but this formula looks hilarious. Anyone knows what it means?
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Old August 31st, 2008, 01:42 PM   #684
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Seems to me how they calculate their GDP
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Old August 31st, 2008, 03:20 PM   #685
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Btw, are the "Roazhon" and "Nissa" signs damaged?
Some mayors in the non-Breton speaking part of Brittany (the historically Romance speaking part of Brittany) are opposed to having bilingual signs in Breton on their territory. They say it's a waste of tax payers' money (200 euros per sign), and it's artificial since Breton was never spoken in their territory. Some of them put black tape to hide the translated Breton names (these translated Breton names are invented by the Office of the Breton Language which is in the hands of some minority Breton nationalists, and these translated names are not based on anything historical).

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Old August 31st, 2008, 03:21 PM   #686
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I saw some bilingual city limit signs in French Catalonia too. Like Perpignan and Narbonne.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 03:37 PM   #687
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I Think there is the sign of Tireste in slovenian language Trst. Indeed, everything is written in italian and slovenian near the border with Slovenia. What I think is really stupid is that Carabinieri is translated too in Carabinjeri.
I've never seen "Trst" in Italy, and I seriously doubt there's any sign saying "Trst" in Italy (even just pointing to it), only villages around it. It used to be the largest Slovenian city. But it's good that my city is now larger.
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Old August 31st, 2008, 03:38 PM   #688
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Seems to me how they calculate their GDP
No, that's the formula to calculate the VAT (sales tax). France and Monaco are a single entity for fiscal purposes. The VAT collected in Monaco is given to the French State. The French State then uses the formula stated in the article to give to Monaco the VAT corresponding to sales on Monaco's territory. The formula is such that Monaco receives in fact 60% more VAT than is really collected on its territory. I don't know why this is the case. France is in fact subsidising Monaco. But then at the same time the tax heaven of Monaco attracts rich people from the entire planet who also spend their money on the French side of the border, thus boosting the French economy. So it's give and take I suppose.

By the way, Monaco is a tax heaven for all the people of the world, but not for French people since the Monaco crisis of 1962, when General de Gaulle closed the border with Monaco, and you really had to produce a passport to enter Monaco during that crisis, with French border and custom agents at the border between the two countries. An agreement was reached in 1963: French citizens who live in Monaco are considered tax residents of France since the 1963 agreement, they do not enjoy the zero taxation of Monaco anymore. The border checks were then removed.

So France managed to turn Monaco into a tax heaven for the rest of the world, thus bringing rich people to southern France, but immunized itself against tax evasion to Monaco. Shrewd move! Germany could only dream of the same arrangement with Liechtenstein.

If you want to learn more about the 1962 Monaco crisis, you can check these two links. The world came very close to a nuclear holocaust.
http://www.cg06.fr/culture/pdf/rr179-crise.pdf
http://cdlm.revues.org/document3023.html
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Old September 1st, 2008, 02:12 AM   #689
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I've never seen "Trst" in Italy, and I seriously doubt there's any sign saying "Trst" in Italy (even just pointing to it), only villages around it. It used to be the largest Slovenian city. But it's good that my city is now larger.
Uhm when was Trieste slovenian city? I miss this historical fact
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Old September 1st, 2008, 02:18 AM   #690
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But in any case now the problem of the separation is now not so improtant, there are no more borders, at least for now
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Old September 1st, 2008, 02:18 AM   #691
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Border between France and... the mighty Principality of Monaco. Don't forget your passport.

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Old September 1st, 2008, 02:23 AM   #692
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"Largest Slovenian city" in a way in 1910 60,000 Slovenians lived there, while Ljubljana had a total of only 52,000 inh., including other nationalities, and other towns even less. I don't care in which country it is, I was talking about bilingual signs, but not that I really care about it, I don't live there...
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Old September 1st, 2008, 11:20 PM   #693
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By that reckoning, New York was probably the largest Slovenian city in 1910. Are the Slovenes also claiming New York?
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Old September 1st, 2008, 11:27 PM   #694
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I doubt that, and no one claims anything. End of debate.
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Old September 2nd, 2008, 05:58 PM   #695
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I saw some bilingual city limit signs in French Catalonia too. Like Perpignan and Narbonne.
Perpinya but i think catalan is official in french Catalunya. and it sounds so funny, i watched some local TV programme from Perpignan, you hear it is catalan, but with french accent
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but i think catalan is official in french Catalunya
No it isn't. French is the only official language in the French Republic.
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Old September 3rd, 2008, 05:43 PM   #697
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First world meets third world.

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First world meets third world.

Where is this border? In Zamora province?
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Where is this border? In Zamora province?
Ninguna idea.
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According to maps, there are several large Portuguese roads leading to smaller Spanish ones at the border too. :P
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