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Old March 9th, 2013, 07:48 PM   #7021
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Can one cross directly between India and Pakistan?

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Old March 9th, 2013, 10:58 PM   #7022
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The border crossing between Russia and Mongolia (Russian route M52). This complex is located about 5 kilometers inside Mongolian territory. The M52 was paved in 2007, I assume this building was built around the same time. Mongolian side is unpaved though. The nearest city (and paved road) in Mongolia is Olgii, about 100 kilometer southeast of here.

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Old March 10th, 2013, 04:40 AM   #7023
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There are is an industrial park in North Korea that is accessible by road from the South thanks to an agreement between the 2 countries.
If you're talking about Kaesong and Kumgangsan the two tours from South Korea have been discontinued since 2009, and as of 2012 the tours are neither resumed nor likely to resume.

The only part of North Korea accessible from the South is the north half of the conference room straddling the demarcation line at the Joint Security Area. It is also possible to visit the south half from North Korea.
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Old March 10th, 2013, 06:35 AM   #7024
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Right. It's a weird situation. Here's a picture I took in 2004, visiting this room from North Korea. Two North Korean soldiers are securing the door leading to South Korea, to prevent me from exiting there. (The border between both Korea's runs right through the table in the middle) Which means that actually, these North Korean soldiers are standing in South Korea...

I also wonder how they deal with the practical details. As tourists are entering from both North and South Korea, they will have to communicate with each other about this. I always found this curious, enemies communicating about these practical issues on a daily basis...

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Old March 10th, 2013, 09:56 AM   #7025
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Please post more pics from this location if you have them
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Old March 10th, 2013, 09:40 PM   #7026
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Right. It's a weird situation. Here's a picture I took in 2004, visiting this room from North Korea. Two North Korean soldiers are securing the door leading to South Korea, to prevent me from exiting there. (The border between both Korea's runs right through the table in the middle) Which means that actually, these North Korean soldiers are standing in South Korea...

I also wonder how they deal with the practical details. As tourists are entering from both North and South Korea, they will have to communicate with each other about this. I always found this curious, enemies communicating about these practical issues on a daily basis...
I'll be visiting the same room in a month, but from the south. My picture will be from the opposite side, with South Korean soldiers standing in North Korea.
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Old March 10th, 2013, 09:54 PM   #7027
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So you will be going on a trip in North Korea? That's something that I want to do one day, but right now it's quite expensive for my budget...

Please make a new thread in the travel section and share your pictures with us after you come back.

Have a safe trip!
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Old March 10th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #7028
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So you will be going on a trip in North Korea? That's something that I want to do one day, but right now it's quite expensive for my budget...

Please make a new thread in the travel section and share your pictures with us after you come back.

Have a safe trip!
No, I'm going to South Korea. That's why I said I will have the opposite picture. That is, the same room but the other end, and South Korean soldiers guarding the opposite door.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 12:51 AM   #7029
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No, I'm going to South Korea. That's why I said I will have the opposite picture. That is, the same room but the other end, and South Korean soldiers guarding the opposite door.
So basically southern and northern guards are in the same room all day long, standing in each others country?
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Old March 11th, 2013, 01:32 AM   #7030
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Nope, only either North or South Korean soldiers in the room at any time. I only saw North Korean soldiers there, Popcalent wil only see South Korean soldiers there.

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Entering the Demilitarized Zone (actually looking back from the DMZ into North Korea). The large concrete gate has the obvious goal to block intruding armies in their path. Note the freeway sign after the gate. In the opposite direction, there's actually a sign saying how many kms to Seoul, don't have a picture of that.



An overview of the barracks on the border from the north side. The large building in the background is in South Korea.



The barracks on the outside.'It's a weird place. You could become breaking news and make headlines worldwide by just running 10-15 meters to the other side. The question is wether you would live to tell the tale. ;-)



My travel mate and me with a North Korean officer.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 01:40 AM   #7031
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Interestingly, though North Korea and Russia don't have a road connection, they do have a rail connection. Obsiously, its usage involves a lot of bureaucracy...

Here's a story from 2008. I'm not sure how it works today.

http://vienna-pyongyang.blogspot.fi/
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Old March 11th, 2013, 01:43 AM   #7032
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Ah yes, epic story by a brave/crazy Austrian guy who decided to try out that connection without telling the North Korean authorities about it. It should be easier nowadays, at least a Dutch travel agent was offering the possibility to enter North Korea via that route on their tours.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 01:47 AM   #7033
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That is proof that North Korea uses green motorway signs
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Old March 11th, 2013, 02:18 AM   #7034
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Old March 11th, 2013, 03:47 AM   #7035
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Well, it is actually, I guess. I never saw a blue motorway sign in North Korea.
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So basically southern and northern guards are in the same room all day long, standing in each others country?
No, nobody is in the room for the majority of the time. If you're visiting from the South, South Korean soldiers enter the room with your tour group and block the door to the North, then they leave the room after everyone else is out. If you're visiting from the North, North Korean soldiers enter the room with your tour group and block the door to the South, then they leave the room after everyone else is out. Tours are scheduled in a way that a tour from the South and a tour from the North do not occur at the same time.

I don't think there's ever soldiers of both sides inside the room at the same time. Except for when the conference room is used for its legitimate purpose, I reckon.

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Interesting...
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Old March 11th, 2013, 03:22 PM   #7038
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I read at some other time an article about that Zone. Departing from Seoul you had to book with 10 days in advance and there were some mandatory thing to take care. For instance, passport photocopy in advance when booking (and they had a list of country citizens not allowed there). There were someone more and maybe the most curious was not wearing army clothes or something related when visiting it.

They said the area that can be visited (and the points that never, never couldn't be crossed because would be considered as illegal inmigration within North Korea).
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Old March 11th, 2013, 08:30 PM   #7039
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Bolivia-Chile, bad... rest of them, it is not Schengen but borders can be crossed without many problems.

Maybe the most interenting point is this:

After one year training, they go for practices about another day to an army ship in the Ocean of any "friendly neighbour country". This is... any one except Chile: Peru, Argentina, Uruguay (it is not neighbour but close to), Brazil... and stay with its army for that period.
you're wrong if you think that the border between Peru and Chile were good...is worse than Bolivia

few years ago the government of Chile put landmines explosive in peru-chile frontera, the Peruvians trying to cross the border would be virtually killed exploiting these mines

you consider good that the government of Chile do that in the border :Ohno:






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Peru Ecuador border




costa rica nicaragua border....the most fought by a lake and a river





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