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Old April 23rd, 2013, 08:58 PM   #7261
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Yes, but Austria has additional tolls on most trans-Alpine routes, which Switzerland doesn't have (except for the low volume Tunnel du Grand-Saint-Bernard).

It doesn't really matter whether you pay 40 CHF to cross Switzerland or to pay for two vignettes and two times tolls on the Inntal-Brenner Route in Austria on a return trip.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 09:16 PM   #7262
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It surprises me how expensive some of your passports are. A British passport costs £72.50 (85 euro) and is valid for 10 years.
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Old April 23rd, 2013, 11:51 PM   #7263
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Yes, but Austria has additional tolls on most trans-Alpine routes, which Switzerland doesn't have (except for the low volume Tunnel du Grand-Saint-Bernard).
And also on the Munt la Schera tunnel (I-CH), 42CHF both ways.
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Old April 24th, 2013, 06:13 PM   #7264
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It surprises me how expensive some of your passports are. A British passport costs £72.50 (85 euro) and is valid for 10 years.
...assuming you don't have to apply to Dusseldorf.
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Old April 25th, 2013, 09:46 AM   #7265
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Also Switzerland and Slovenia have pretty expensive vignettes, compared to Austria.

Switzerland is the cheapest I know, around 32€ at the moment. For the comparison, Czech costs ~60€.
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Old April 25th, 2013, 09:48 AM   #7266
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...assuming you don't have to apply to Dusseldorf.

How much more? Polish passport issued by a consul costs four times more, 140€ instead of 35€. Difference big enough to board a cheap flight
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Old April 25th, 2013, 10:48 AM   #7267
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Yes, but if you live in Germany, and it's your Hauptwohnsitz, than you're only permitted to get your passport from the consulate or embassy, not your home country. My ex girlfriend is Dutch, lives 2 km over the Dutch border in Germany, works in the Netherlands and crosses the border every day, her parents live 500 metres inside the Netherlands, but she still has to go all the way to Düsseldorf to get her passport renewed.

I live in Austria, so I have to go to my nearest consulate to get a new passport, which is in Munich.
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Old April 25th, 2013, 04:59 PM   #7268
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swiss year vignette 32 €

austrian 10 days vignette + 2x tolls tauern tunnel = 28,30 €

slovenian week vignette + 2x tolls karavanke tunnel = 28 € (austria has a half of karavanke tunnel, but I didn't count)
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Old April 25th, 2013, 05:44 PM   #7269
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swiss year vignette 32 €

austrian 10 days vignette + 2x tolls tauern tunnel = 28,30 €

slovenian week vignette + 2x tolls karavanke tunnel = 28 € (austria has a half of karavanke tunnel, but I didn't count)
I was tempted to compare two completely different systems and draw invalid conclusions, but then I thought that would be comparing apples to oranges. But since you see a similarity between those two fruit, let's go on:

Czech vignette, yearly 60€
Austrian 10 days vignette + 2x tolls tauern tunnel = 28,30 €

Or even further:

Strasbourg - Saarbrücken, kardly 200km = 8.50€
Austria 10 days 8.50€ (circa)


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Austrian 10 days vignette + 2x tolls tauern tunnel = 28,30 €
Public transport ticket, one week in Munich + one mug at Oktoberfest = 30€

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Old April 25th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #7270
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I wasnt comparing apples and oranges, but alpine transit routes.
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Old April 25th, 2013, 08:40 PM   #7271
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Not Alpine but Pyrenees... once I calculated the amount to pay in a Barcelona (E) - Ordino (AD) by the fastest way (crossing France for a while).

Less than half was motorway but more than half was tolled motorways or roads, incluiding four tunnels. First one in the same Barcelona. Anothe one approaching to the border, third one inside France and last one the only tolled tunnel you can find in Andorra.

I should have to find the message were I wrote the amount but it was really expensive.



And in the other side, E-07 Pau (F) - Zaragoza (E) is almost free (just three tolled motorway exits in France) and almost motorway (I would say that in 5 years 80% motorway).
The journey includes a 8,1 km tunnel....... free!
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Old April 26th, 2013, 03:06 AM   #7272
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Entering Liechtenstein at Sevelen (CH), arriving from A13, exit no. 9
Bridge appears to have no proper street name, just "Sevelen". After leaving the bridge, streets have proper names in both countries. On the Liechtensteinian side, it is still "Zollstrasse" despite no border / custom controls between these countries since 1923.



Just after passing actual border line - close-up of flags, with no wind

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Old April 26th, 2013, 09:22 AM   #7273
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It's always hard to tell when you cross that border. Signs are minimal, and layout and roadsigns stays exactly the same.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 02:22 PM   #7274
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Well, you cross the Rhine..
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Old April 26th, 2013, 02:27 PM   #7275
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... yet indeed road signs and markings in FL are entirely Swiss style (e.g. yellow "zebras"), only the large share of black plates reminds you of being outside Switzerland

This covered pedestrian bridge runs next to the road bridge posted above. Pic taken in Liechtenstein, looking towards Switzerland:

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Old April 27th, 2013, 09:46 PM   #7276
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The beginning of the queue on the external border of: EU, Schengen Zone, EEA, NATO and so on The end of the queue was about 18 kilometers from the border crossing which is not that bad, as sometimes you can see trucks standing 30-35 kilometers from it

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Old April 27th, 2013, 09:52 PM   #7277
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Oh and I've got a couple photos from going the other way ( direction Ukraine ).

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1. Kowel (UA) 83

[IMG]http://i38.************/sxm1d1.jpg[/IMG]

2. Początek kolejki. Do terminala 18 kilometrów.

[IMG]http://i38.************/33vzzix.jpg[/IMG]

3. Tiry

[IMG]http://i38.************/2899yx3.jpg[/IMG]

4. Tiry

[IMG]http://i34.************/rji042.jpg[/IMG]

5. Tiry

[IMG]http://i36.************/331g802.jpg[/IMG]

6. Tiry

[IMG]http://i37.************/r8t2jd.jpg[/IMG]

7. Już prawie jesteśmy. Prosto do Kijowa, w lewo do Włodawy/Zosina, w prawo nie wiem

[IMG]http://i36.************/fysrl.jpg[/IMG]

8. Skręciłem w lewo, bo tak będzie wygodniej podjechać pod sam terminal. Odwrót o 180 stopni:

[IMG]http://i36.************/so25fm.jpg[/IMG]

9.

[IMG]http://i38.************/ev484p.jpg[/IMG]

10. Ostatnie metry.

[IMG]http://i36.************/20petl0.jpg[/IMG]

11. Już bliżej się praktycznie nie da

[IMG]http://i33.************/x4jgo5.jpg[/IMG]

12. Był koniec, to mamy i początek kolejki. Oni też musieli swoje odstać.

[IMG]http://i36.************/2dsjm1s.jpg[/IMG]

13. Dzień dobry

[IMG]http://i38.************/351ic7l.jpg[/IMG]

14. Szybki kurs na prawo jazdy

[IMG]http://i38.************/14oa9z6.jpg[/IMG]
Dunno, why these are so big
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Old April 27th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #7278
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Damn that's a lot of trucks. How long was that LKW-stau?
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Old April 27th, 2013, 10:04 PM   #7279
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So, when you are going from Lublin towards border, there's an electronic plate, where you can check estimated time from the end of the queue to the border itself. However, every time I go there it says around 12 - 15 hours for LKWs, which is an obvious lie Sometimes it takes even 2 days to cross ( especially before Christmas ). For normal, civil cars it's way better, however coming back from Ukraine may take a couple hours as well

EDIT: The electronical plate:



http://www.gddkia.gov.pl/userfiles/a...i/tablica1.jpg

EDIT2: It rarely happens, that there is no queue at all, even for lorries. Since last week, nearly whole Poland is in Google Street View system. You can check the border in Dorohusk and you won't see trucks at all.
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Old April 27th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #7280
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I'm sorry for creating so many posts but again I found something that I posted on polish forum. It's rather a bonus, because it does not show a border crossing but a border itself. I talked to some people from EU who used external border crossings but they were really curious what the border looks like. Well, when I went there for the first time, I was expecting something like the DMZ in Korea or at least the border between the USA and Mexico. Well, I was far from the truth

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1. https://maps.google.com/?ll=51.23596...04823&t=h&z=18 This particular place.

[IMG]http://i49.************/2z9l8oi.jpg[/IMG]

2. You can see Ukrainian border sign on the other bank of the river.

[IMG]http://i48.************/214e4g8.jpg[/IMG]

3. Bug ( Буг ) - the border river.

[IMG]http://i48.************/2heljro.jpg[/IMG]

4. Now we are in Włodawa - about 100 meters from Belarusian soil.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=51.55170...09645&t=h&z=17

[IMG]http://i45.************/wv2x51.jpg[/IMG]

5.

[IMG]http://i46.************/3469jbd.jpg[/IMG]

6. You can spot the Belarusian border sign on the hill on the other side of the river.

[IMG]http://i49.************/35ak4zt.jpg[/IMG]
It's a bizarre feeling, when I stay here and 20 meters from me is a different country with 2-hour time change, because they do not change the time from DST to winter time. And what is more, when I was going to Włodawa, I was approx. 2 kilometers from the border, I didn't have Polish telecommunication provider but the Ukrainian one The prices were 4.50 PLN for outgoing call, 2 PLN for incoming ( per minute ) and 1.50 for sending a text msg 1PLN = 0.24EUR = 0.31USD.
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