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Old May 4th, 2013, 02:46 AM   #7381
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Old May 4th, 2013, 10:18 AM   #7382
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You mean Mária Valéria híd/Maria-Valeria-bridge between Esztergom (HU) and Sturovo=Párkány (SK).....destroyed in the end of the WW2 and rebuilt after 2000.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A1...3%A9ria_Bridge
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Old May 4th, 2013, 10:40 AM   #7383
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I have crossed Tesin-Cieszyn border many times nowadays as well as in the communism era. It sometimes took 3-4 hours waiting in very long queue on ČSSR (Czechoslovak Socialist Republic) soil, when returning to PRL (Polish People Republic) after some shopping made by my parents on the other side of Olza river. I think it was the busiest border crossing with Czechoslovakia, back then. .
Didn't you need (exit-)visa to cross that border, or could one just cross the border whenever you wanted? (With the waiting times of course).
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Old May 4th, 2013, 11:08 AM   #7384
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As far as I remember we did not need visa to cross borders within the area contaminated by communism. However, it was a certain difference with obtaining passport allowing you to go out of iron curtain or that dedicated only for communist countries.

Apart from passport, either for Western or Eastern block countries, every citizen leaving Poland had to have a special currency book. That book let you carry a certain and very limited amount of foreign money in the wallet. In the seventies it was just 10 USD a poor Pole could have on himself. Later on, in the eighties, the limit was increased to over 100 USD. Each cent carried abroad was recorded in the book.
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Old May 4th, 2013, 11:43 AM   #7385
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As far as I remember we did not need visa to cross borders within the area contaminated by communism. However, it was a certain difference with obtaining passport allowing you to go out of iron curtain or that dedicated only for communist countries.

Apart from passport, either for Western or Eastern block countries, every citizen leaving Poland had to have a special currency book. That book let you carry a certain and very limited amount of foreign money in the wallet. In the seventies it was just 10 USD a poor Pole could have on himself. Later on, in the eighties, the limit was increased to over 100 USD. Each cent carried abroad was recorded in the book.
And keep in mind that in 80s the state of emergency was annouced in Poland and it brough another obstacles. Yes, in general (at least in 70s and 80s) no need for visas to travel within communism block of countries. The fact is that there were some difference among countries in former eastern block concerning the travelling abroad conditions.... Sure, Yugoslavia was absolutely the special case.
As noted there were various foreign currency and customs restrictions and customs and passport controls among communist countries were - usually - rigorous and time consuming. Customs authorities were the rulers at the borders and the citizens - many times - served as their fair game....
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Old May 4th, 2013, 12:25 PM   #7386
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In the 70s and 80s we were free to travel inside the Eastern European block (i.e. H, CS, PL, DDR, RO, BG). However, the list of goods, prohibited to take from one country to another one was quite long. Practically nothing could be bought in Czechoslovakia and taken to Hungary. Custom officers examined our bags and cars very accurately.
The main reason for that was shortage of good all around the region.

The current (summer 2012) situation in Czeszyn - Cesky Tesin:

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Old May 4th, 2013, 03:11 PM   #7387
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Apart from passport, either for Western or Eastern block countries, every citizen leaving Poland had to have a special currency book. That book let you carry a certain and very limited amount of foreign money in the wallet. In the seventies it was just 10 USD a poor Pole could have on himself. Later on, in the eighties, the limit was increased to over 100 USD. Each cent carried abroad was recorded in the book.
Very similar for Hungary, of course. One had a yearly frame of hard currency allowed to be legally purchased at the National Bank; it was 70 USD IIRC. You were allowed to carry these amounts with you when travelling to the West. Other than these, export of hard currency was not permitted.
70 USD/yr does not sound much, but taking the purchasing power of Socialist wages into account, many people could not afford to buy even that much. Others were luckier with e.g. senior relatives having the money to buy hard currency, but not needing it since not travelling. Thus, many Hungarians carried more hard currency than legally bought when travelling westward - and always feared the border guards.
Many Eastern bloc tourists in the West spent their nights in tents and lived on canned food to allow their scarce hard currency budget be sufficient for the unavoidable rest (gasoline for example).

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Practically nothing could be bought in Czechoslovakia and taken to Hungary. Custom officers examined our bags and cars very accurately.
My uncle once bought some pairs of those cheap Czechoslovak sandals and wrapped them as sandwiches. It wasn't discovered
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Old May 5th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #7388
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Border check point inside the country?

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr...12,179.29,,0,0
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Old May 5th, 2013, 08:17 PM   #7389
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Border check point inside the country?

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr...12,179.29,,0,0
It's likely a police post that stops random people, probably to prevent smuggling or illegal immigration. It's near the outer Schengen border, the new Iron Curtain.
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Old May 5th, 2013, 10:16 PM   #7390
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Quite curious!!
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Old May 5th, 2013, 11:03 PM   #7391
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It's likely a police post that stops random people, probably to prevent smuggling or illegal immigration. It's near the outer Schengen border, the new Iron Curtain.
I searched here and there and got some piece of information about that place. Those two chaps in guard's booth probably check all foreign (not known to them as local) objects moving alongside. So, this booth works pretty much like a regular border's check point.
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Old May 5th, 2013, 11:31 PM   #7392
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It is at the entrance to the Dieveniskes/Dziewieniszki appendix, Lithuanian territory almost entirely surrounded by Belarus. It is much easier to control everyone entering this zone (there is only one access from the rest of Lithuania) than the whole state border that surrounds the appendix (around 110 kilometres !).
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Old May 6th, 2013, 01:41 AM   #7393
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(Former) Tripoint BRD-DDR-CSSR - Today Tripoint between German Bavaria and Saxony and Czech Republic
visited by me today

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Dreiländereck BRD-DDR-CSSR by cinxxx, on Flickr

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Dreiländereck BRD-DDR-CSSR by cinxxx, on Flickr

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Old May 6th, 2013, 02:52 AM   #7394
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Old May 6th, 2013, 09:57 AM   #7395
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I've used a very small border crossing once between Poland and Lithuania, the road that's tucked right against the border with Belarus. There's me in an English reg Sprinter, and there's that happily smiling border guard waving me through, probably glad he has someone to wave at...
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Old May 6th, 2013, 10:33 AM   #7396
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Last autumn I travelled on this road. It's entirely in Austria but on the edge you can see Hungarian border stones. I wonder if it was possible to drive there during communism.

Later I crossed this small border crossing in H -> A direction and there wasn't any sign at the border. I realized I was in Austria only when I saw the Moschendorf entry sign. 1 km before I saw a border stone on the edge on the road (where the actual border is) but I though I was still in Hungary and the stone was marking the border along the road and not across it.
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Was it paved?. Can it be a new road made because in the same fence no grounds were used?
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Was it paved?. Can it be a new road made because in the same fence no grounds were used?
The road along the border is paved but asphalt is very old and crappy. The local border crossing is also paved but it looks newer, probably post-2007.
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Old May 6th, 2013, 06:23 PM   #7399
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Last autumn I travelled on this road. It's entirely in Austria but on the edge you can see Hungarian border stones. I wonder if it was possible to drive there during communism.

Later I crossed this small border crossing in H -> A direction and there wasn't any sign at the border. I realized I was in Austria only when I saw the Moschendorf entry sign. 1 km before I saw a border stone on the edge on the road (where the actual border is) but I though I was still in Hungary and the stone was marking the border along the road and not across it.
there is similar thing in Croatia, also at Hungarian border
http://maps.google.it/maps?q=gussing...stria&t=m&z=16
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(Former) Tripoint BRD-DDR-CSSR - Today Tripoint between German Bavaria and Saxony and Czech Republic
visited by me today
Nice. I wonder if there are any picturue of this area from the Iron Curtain-era.
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