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Old May 7th, 2013, 08:53 PM   #7421
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Ok., I see
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Old May 7th, 2013, 08:56 PM   #7422
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You can move to the uk tomorrow and get a job if you wish. You're Spanish, right? But do bring your passport. You'll need it to get in as the uk is not in Schengen.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 09:07 PM   #7423
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You can move to the uk tomorrow and get a job if you wish. You're Spanish, right? But do bring your passport. You'll need it to get in as the uk is not in Schengen.
I think the national ID card will do, as well.... Or not?
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Old May 7th, 2013, 09:10 PM   #7424
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For me, the best solution would be to work towards getting Macedonia, Serbia, Croatia, Montenegro, Bosnia and Albania into Schengen at the same time. I'd go one further and tie Romanian and Bulgarian accession into that, so that the entire Balkans (well, not Kosovo, but...) enters as one, meaning that the external borders will be far easier to secure with a joint effort. As it stands, it'll be possible for someone to enter Albania, head up through Montenegro and Bosnia and then only have to make it into Croatia before they're home free. Not a great situation.
As the Schengen agreement is not about human rights but trust, I would leave the whole Balkan corruption zone outside, including Greece excluding Slovenia.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 09:12 PM   #7425
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I think the national ID card will do, as well.... Or not?
Sure.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 09:44 PM   #7426
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Border check point inside the country?

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr...12,179.29,,0,0
I have been stopped and checked there! Yes, probably a permanent checkpoint.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 09:57 PM   #7427
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Sure.
Sure... but almost all Spanish citizens who travel to the UK ask for a passport even if not specially required (as said, ID card is enough). Reason is that it is (or it was) so strange to see that document as a legal identification that sometimes it was a nightmare.
The easiest way: ask for a passport, and all solved.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 10:20 PM   #7428
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That doesn't matter. An Irish citizen has as much right to live and work in London as someone from Yorkshire. There are no passport controls on the ferries between the Republic of Ireland and mainland UK. The Irish will take measures to prevent illegal immigration from the outside as much as the British.
They will even proactively refuse admission to someone if they believe that their intention is to go to the other country. The Common Travel Area could be improved, but as it stands, it works well enough.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 12:01 AM   #7429
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I don't think there are any legal distinctions between Irish and British citizens in the UK whatsoever and the only difference in Ireland is that British citizens can't vote in referenda.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 01:27 AM   #7430
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As the Schengen agreement is not about human rights but trust, I would leave the whole Balkan corruption zone outside, including Greece excluding Slovenia.
So you think Slovenia is better than Greece?
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Old May 8th, 2013, 01:36 AM   #7431
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Old May 8th, 2013, 01:42 AM   #7432
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I'm bigger... Spain has more corruption rather than anyone.
Wanna list?

- Judge's premier (4th person in official protocol over all the country) resigned
- former treasurer for almost 20 years of the party that now is in the government is facing the judge and his passport has been retired (he cannot travel abroad)
- this person had a list of black money given to a lot of people, incluiding current premier minister. It is under investigation.
- King's son-in-law faces because a huge, huge corruption case. King's daughter faces judge too
- there are regions that it doesn't matter where you look at, corruption is everywhere

and... this afternoon... a 21 years old University student, being the premier or the youth section of the party in the government has got a public employment with 54000 eur/year (more than double nowadays in the Spanish average, specially in that area)



Please... if you consider Greece or Slovenia, include Spain too!!!!


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Old May 8th, 2013, 09:45 AM   #7433
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Italy's bigger. At least in Spain scoundrels resigned or were forced to. In Italy they face no legal threats.
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Well, they do, but when it gets closer to a shitstorm, they'll simply change the law.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 10:52 AM   #7435
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Lol, last 2 posts remind me of Romania
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Old May 8th, 2013, 12:05 PM   #7436
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So you think Slovenia is better than Greece?
No, they are both in the same horrible league of most corrupt nations: http://euobserver.com/justice/120064

Privately, I've never met Slovenians complaining about their country.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 12:49 PM   #7437
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So you think Slovenia is better than Greece?
Look at Transparency International corruption index. Slovenia rank 37, Greece 94. The rank of Greece is dropping, last year it was 80+.
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I wouldn't trust those statistics too much....
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Old May 8th, 2013, 01:56 PM   #7439
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Whatever list you compile, there will always be countries at the top and at the bottom.
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Old May 8th, 2013, 02:00 PM   #7440
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Remember that this is not a list of most corrupted countries, but of its perception. It may as well be a list of most pessimistic population...
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