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Old May 14th, 2013, 11:36 AM   #7501
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Why not?
Because the EU won't be EU anymore but the Union of Europe & the Middle East?


The EU is already too large and broad as it is. With the addition of the Balkan countries it will be complete. It can't expand any further. It's falling apart anyway with the rise of nationalism in Europe.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 02:38 PM   #7502
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Because the EU won't be EU anymore but the Union of Europe & the Middle East?
Turkey is not in the Middle East, but still I don't see the problem with bordering Iraq (that was the statement I reacted on).
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Old May 14th, 2013, 04:31 PM   #7503
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Turkey is not in the Middle East, but still I don't see the problem with bordering Iraq (that was the statement I reacted on).
Turkey IS in the Middle East as most of the country is officially in Asia. Geographically, politically, culturally and linguistically it is an Oriental country.
Moreover, the EU has every reason NOT to wish to extend its borders to....
Syria, Iraq and Iran. Why? Well, if you think as a politician, you will see why.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #7504
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I think, politicians have enough with this EU border




and the problem are not the citizens who live beside it (and can ask for a pass to cross the fence). The problem are those citizens who travel across desert, jungle, swamp for thousands of kilometres and they are sure but a fence is the less of their problems after a long journey.

And... crossing it they can go without any other check until Finland, for instance
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Old May 14th, 2013, 05:29 PM   #7505
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Old May 14th, 2013, 05:35 PM   #7506
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It could be in long mileage distances too.

Nice pic
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Old May 14th, 2013, 05:45 PM   #7507
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I didnt find any good pics between Brazil/Guyana.

Very interesting video.

Exchanging lanes.

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Old May 14th, 2013, 06:59 PM   #7508
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I think, politicians have enough with this EU border

and the problem are not the citizens who live beside it (and can ask for a pass to cross the fence). The problem are those citizens who travel across desert, jungle, swamp for thousands of kilometres and they are sure but a fence is the less of their problems after a long journey.

And... crossing it they can go without any other check until Finland, for instance
But not Britain and Ireland.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 07:05 PM   #7509
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No, they cannot... but for anyone who has crossed half of a continent, it really doesn't matter they corner of Europe they will stay.

This is why it is called the "European fence to Africa" and as I said, neighbours are not the problem at all.
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Old May 14th, 2013, 09:42 PM   #7510
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I didnt find any good pics between Brazil/Guyana.

Very interesting video.

Exchanging lanes.

The sign at 0'40" ...
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Old May 15th, 2013, 04:20 AM   #7511
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And... crossing it they can go without any other check until Finland, for instance
There's a document control from Ceuta to Europe.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 01:36 PM   #7512
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There's a document control from Ceuta to Europe.
Really? Why? Also between Europe and Melilla, Canaries, Azores and Madeira?
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Old May 15th, 2013, 01:54 PM   #7513
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Really? Why? Also between Europe and Melilla, Canaries, Azores and Madeira?


I've had a look out to some webpages and I found the following:

- It is possible for some Moroccans to have a Visa pass to Ceuta or Melilla but only there.
It is a question to check that those passes are used only in Ceuta or Melilla

- It is a second control to arrive European continent. Something like a random check or that stuff.


From Ceuta you can go to Europe by ferry (99,99%) or by helicopter (3 daily trips, I think). From Melilla you can go to Europe by ferry or by plane (much used)
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Old May 15th, 2013, 02:53 PM   #7514
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btw, from Canary islands there is no passport control to any Schengen country.

All boarding and arrival gates have police cabins prepared but barely used.

I read that 51% are Spanish flights (where incluiding those within the own islands) and 49% come from outside Spain but I do not remember destinations.
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Old May 15th, 2013, 06:20 PM   #7515
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Old May 15th, 2013, 06:28 PM   #7516
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Really? Why? Also between Europe and Melilla, Canaries, Azores and Madeira?
I posted it three days ago.

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france / spain in pertus

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Old May 15th, 2013, 08:55 PM   #7518
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Nice pic. I wrote a post about that corner. It is the end of N-II in Spain.
If you continue ahead to the north, all the road and western pedestrian side is France but right pedestrian side is Spain. So if you park in the right side of the road/street (looking to the north) and you take off the car by the right side... you are crossing an international border.

But the picture is cool... two parking metres face-to-face, similar fares, same system but each of them in one country and tickets valid only for its country

(and if bank holiday in one side, guess where people will try to park...)
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Old May 16th, 2013, 06:08 AM   #7519
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Is it me or they went lost in translation?

The sign is bilingual Catalan/French but while the Catalan transcription says: "Tiquets no vÓlids a la zona espanyola" (tickets not valid on the Spanish side), the French says: "Tickets non-valable qu'en territoire espagnol" (tickets not valid (anywhere) but on the Spanish side) in other words: tickets valid on the Spanish side only. So they basically say the opposite.

Now, my guess is the Catalan is wrong, since the other sign says both in Catalan and French: Ticket valid on the Spanish side only.
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Old May 16th, 2013, 07:54 AM   #7520
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yes, you're right (and as you can see, no Spanish translation available there).

the sign is inside Spain (just after the little wall is France) and they want to say that tickets taken from that parking meter are valid only in Spain.

But they used different texts for each language
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