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Old May 21st, 2013, 11:38 PM   #7581
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Nothern Wilderness

During the pre-Schengen era, there were some interesting border arrangements between Finland, Sweden, and Norway. The countries have been in a passport union since 1955, but crossing the border was allowed to take place in designated places only.

In the northern wilderness area, the rules were gradually relieved by allowing hikers to cross the border between certain border marks.

For example, since 1993 it was allowed to cross the Finnish-Norwegian border between in Lossu between the border marks 301 and 301A:



Yellow border mark 301 at Lossu, photo from Finland. The yellow mark had to be bypassed at the right hand side.

The popular footpath of 55 kilometres to the highest peak of Finland passes through Norway for two kilometres. The alternative route in Finland is difficult to walk because of boulders. Before 1983, crossing the border was a crime. Usually, the border control ignored the hikers but sometimes they delivered fines. Nowadays, the path is a part of the Arctic Trail, a 800-km hiking path passing through the three countries.



Arctic Trail, and the crime scene



The crime scene. Foreground and background in Finland, the lakes and the land between them in Norway.

Norway and Finland entered an agreement to allow hikers to cross the border at the tripoint of Finland, Norway and Sweden. A similar setup was in place between Norway and Sweden, but not between Sweden and Finland. Therefore, in theory, it was allowed to go from Finland to Sweden and vice versa, but via Norway only. That rule was never enforced. The point is located in a small island of a lake accessible from Finland only.



The tripoint is accessible by foot only.
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Old May 21st, 2013, 11:38 PM   #7582
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Since when is there control between Italy and the Vatican City? And at 3480 m?
AFAIK there are border controls for cars at the entrance and the exit of Vatican, but St. Peter square is under some special agreement that allow to Italian autorities to enter and thus no border checks for tourists. And obviously no border checks up the mountains. You would expect a Nepal-China border crossing atop the Everest?

I've crossed very few borders, but at least I've crossed the Spain-France border on foot.
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Old May 21st, 2013, 11:49 PM   #7583
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 12:01 AM   #7584
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Yes, in early 2007, but there were two Italian cops at the square and I didn't feel like potentially talking to them, so I just stayed on our side.
They couldn't have done anything against you if you did remain inside the square (even in Italian territory).
Going deeper inside Gorizia from the Nova Gorica side or into Nova Gorica from the Gorizia side (or from Gorizia to the station and taking a train to somewhere else in Slovenia) was illegal until 21.12.07 when Slovenia joined Schengen. Before, since 01.05.04, there was a specific agreemet between Italy and Slovenia to allow the free circulation of pedestrians only inside the square. For this reason the square was always patrolled by cops (technically you could went from Goizia to Nova Gorica without any phisycal obstacle).
I went there on the 01.05.04 but I couldn't cross the square because it was closed for a concert.

Back in 2004-05 I heard gossips about people, during the night, driving their cars over the mosaic in the centre of the square to smuggle goods and illegal immigrants inside the Schengen area.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 12:23 AM   #7585
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When being 20-ish I was in a summer activity in the Pyrenees and once I stayed here



for several hours.

Maybe one foot in Spain, one foot in France.




Way to approach



The name in Spanish for that mountain pass is Puerto de la Pez. I do not know its translation
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 10:01 AM   #7586
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Since when is there control between Italy and the Vatican City?
There aren't.

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On the left there is the place where border police stands.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 02:39 PM   #7587
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On the left there is the place where border police stands.
Was it before 2008? Now Switzerland is in Schengen and ther're only custom checks.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 02:40 PM   #7588
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Was it before 2008? Now Switzerland is in Schengen and ther're only custom checks.
It was 2012.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 07:24 PM   #7589
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I have only crossed the BE-NL, LU-DE and NL-DE border (and even once FR-MC) by foot (and BE-NL also by bike.) All other crossed borders only by car/bus/train/plane/boat. Maybe I'll make a list of all crossed borders
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 07:30 PM   #7590
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I've crossed NL - B and D on foot, also E with F and B with F.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 07:44 PM   #7591
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LOL


I've remembered I crossed the Austria-Italy border on foot before Austria was part of EU.

How?. I wanted to have my passport stamped. Going to Austria we didn't have any problem except a long queue (it was Brennero mountain pass and summer with a great deal of tourists).
Returning northern Italy, in the middle of the queue I asked my parents to get off the car, walk beside it (it was really slowly) and ask for a stamp in the custom cabin, getting on the car later.

Should the officer asked me the reason of stamp... I do not know what I would have answered... but I just asked it in English and they had no problem in stamping my passport. In fact... they didn't look to the photo or any other data although there was a lot of control because Austria was not part of EU yet.
(Entering Austria the officer asked us the nationality. Looking to the passport it was clear that we were from the EU but in the main page if you do not know the translation you do not have more information. They just made that question and let to cross it)


Obviously the real border was crossed by car. The border is in the middle of the Brennero tunnel and it is forbidden to take off the car or go walking there...
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 09:18 PM   #7592
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Does "crossing the border by foot" include crossing the border by car, stopping, getting out of the car, walking around some time, passengers taking pictures of each other standing next to the border signs (pictures taken both ways) and so on... and then going on to the other country with the same car? With no other destination for the walking apart from the border itself?

If no, I've crossed fi-se and my-th. If yes, then also ee-lv, fi-no, it-si and no-se.

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Old May 22nd, 2013, 10:07 PM   #7593
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It's on foot, not by foot.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 10:08 PM   #7594
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If you put some wheels under it, you can go by foot if you wish.
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 11:03 PM   #7595
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Speaking of crossing the border, here are my crossings:

By car:
Romania - Hungary*
Romania - Serbia
Hungary - Croatia
Hungary - Austria
Hungary - Slovakia
Slovakia - Czech Republic
Croatia - Slovenia
Slovenia - Austria
Austria - Italy
Austria - Germany
Poland - Czech Republic

By bus:
Romania - Hungary
Hungary - Austria
Austria - Italy
Bulgaria - Greece

By ferry:
Romania - Bulgaria

By train:
France - UK (via Eurotunnel)

By plane:
Romania - Italy
Hungary - France
Hungary - USA

On foot:
Italy - Vatican
Poland - Slovakia - Czech Republic (tri-point)

By looking:
Romania - Ukraine (been close to the border, saw Ukraine from the distance, but didn't cross)

*bonus points awared for crossing once in a police car with emergency lights and horn turned on
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*bonus points awared for crossing once in a police car with emergency lights and horn turned on
Have you been arrested?
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Old May 22nd, 2013, 11:22 PM   #7597
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Nope. But shortly after crossing a helicopter was above our car.

It happened few years ago. I think I have somewhere a video of it, but I have to ask first if I'm allowed to publish it on the internet.
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 12:54 AM   #7598
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By looking:
Romania - Ukraine (been close to the border, saw Ukraine from the distance, but didn't cross)
I have also done it While helping dad with work near Niculiţel, I was seeing Ukraine from the window. And even mobile phone coverage from Ukranian carriers was better than their Romanian counterparts. It was a pity that no crossings to Ukraine exist in that zone (I have written here some days ago about that).

By the way I have crossed those borders (I don't count travel by plane):

-On foot:
  • Entering Vatican on the Vatican museum ¿checkpoint? and exiting it via St. Peter's Square.

-By car:
  • Spain-Portugal, Tui-Valença do Minho crossing (N-551), in summer 1999.
  • Spain-Portugal, Ayamonte-Vila Real do Santo Antonio (entering via A-49 -> A22 and coming back by car ferry), in perhaps summer 2002.
  • Romania-Moldova, Albiţa-Leușeni for entering Moldova and Cahul-Oancea coming back, last summer.

I wanted to take pictures of Romania-Moldova checkpoints, but I didn't want to catch guards' attention, so I took just few pictures, and they were not good, maybe some day I will post them.
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Old May 23rd, 2013, 01:34 AM   #7599
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By car:
Austria to Hungary, Germany, Italy, Slovenia
Croatia to Slovenia
Czech Republic to Germany
France to Germany
Hungary to Austria, Romania
Germany to Austria, Czech Republic, France, Poland, Switzerland
Italy to Austria
Liechtenstein to Austria
Luxembourg to Germany
Poland to Slovakia
Romania to Hungary, Serbia
Serbia to Hungary, Romania
Slovakia to Hungary
Slovenia to Croatia, Italy
Switzerland to Liechtenstein

By plane:
Romania - Germany (and back)

By bus:
Romania-Hungary-Austria-Germany (and back) in 2000
Romania-Hungary-Czechoslovakia-Germany (and back) in 1992

On foot:
Germany-Austria-Germany at Burghausen-Ach and Passau-Haibach bei Schärding
Germany-Poland-Germany in Görlitz-Zgorjelec
Germany-Czech Republic-Germany at Tripoint Bayern-Sachsen-CZ

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Old May 23rd, 2013, 07:12 AM   #7600
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By train
Sweden-Denmark
Sweden-Norway
Denmark-Germany
Germany-Austria
Germany-France
Germany-Switzerland
Germany-Belgium
Switzerland-France
Switzerland-Italy
Austria-Italy
Italy-France
France-Belgium
France-Monaco
France-Spain
France-UK
Ukraine-Belorus
Belorus-Russia



By ferry
Sweden-Denmark
Sweden-Finland
Sweden-Estonia
Sweden-Germany
Sweden-Poland
Denmark-Germany

By car:
Sweden-Norway
Finland-Russia
Estonia-Russia
Germany-Holland (with border control in 1985)
Germany-Austria (with border control in 1986)


By plane:
Sweden-Russia
Sweden-Latvia

By bus:
Germany-Holland
Poland-Ukraine
Italy-San Marino
Italy-Austria

On foot:
Holland-Belgium

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