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Old July 1st, 2013, 05:37 PM   #7801
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Quite often I see Austrian police vehicles in transit through Germany between Kufstein and Salzburg. And I often wondered... What if I pull my middle finger to them...
then you are not longer a member of the club if you wanna settle a score with them then stop them and challenge the policemen for a real fight
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Old July 1st, 2013, 05:47 PM   #7802
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Good. Then me and them risk getting arrested by the German police. They have just as much jurisdiction in Germany as a San Marino cop on Hawaii...

UK Border Agency officials were getting close to getting arrested at the Eurostar terminal in Brussels a few times...
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Old July 1st, 2013, 07:00 PM   #7803
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BiH / EUHR border crossings

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Now I still don't know about the border crossing "Dubravka" between HR and BiH in that area. I have been close there (not until the border unfortunately) but I didn't see any signs for a border, nor for a blocked road there.
Driving from Trebinje to Herceg Novi (Zupci-Sitnica crossing) you can see that road down in the valley, at least a year ago still some big rocks were laying on the road to block it, so no border crossing there.

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One interesting piece of news - Croatia apparently plans to reduce the number of crossings with BiH.
According to this source: http://www.bljesak.info/web/article....d-638763899a91

the crossings will be as following:

fully equipped crossings (also for living animals and herbal products):

BiH / HR

- Gradiška / Stara Gradiška
- Bijača / Nova Sela (Metković) - thats the new motorway BC

for road traffic and goods:

- Orašje / Županija
- Izačić / Ličko Petrovo Selo
- Gorica / Vinjani Donji
- Ivanica / Gornji Brgat

for road traffic:

- Brčko / Gunja
- Šamac / Slavonski Šamac
- Brod / Slavonski Brod
- Gradina / Jasenovac
- Velika Kladuša / Maljevac
- Strmica / Strmica
- Kamensko / Kamensko
- Osoje / Vinjani Gornji
- Neum I / Klek
- Neum II / Zaton Doli

only for travellers (whatever that means... but since there are crossings for locals only at the end of the source i assume those crossings are useable with any kind of passport):

Kostajnica / Hrvatska Kostajnica
Novi Grad / Dvor
Ripač / Užljebić
Prisika / Aržano
Orahovlje / Orah
Crveni Grm / Mali Prolog
Zvirići / Prud
Doljani / Metković (thats the old main crossing in the Neretva valley)
Trebimlja / Čepikuće

the list in the text with crossings only for locals:

Svilaj - Donji Svilaj, Hrvatska Dubica - Kozarska Dubica, Gejkovac - Plazikur, Pašin Potok - Zagrad, Bogovolja - Hadžin Potok, Kordunski Ljeskovac - Tržačka Raštela, Lička Kaldrma - Kaldrma, Bili Brig – Vaganj, Aržano Pazar - Vinica, Dvorine – Subašići, Cera – Vir, Jovića Most – Čltluk, Sebišina – Drinovci, Slivno - Drinovačko Brdo, Podprolog – Prolog, Gabela Polje l – Gabela, Unka - Unka, Vukov Klanac- Radež, Imotica – Duži i Slano - Orahov Do
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Old July 1st, 2013, 10:41 PM   #7804
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They have just as much jurisdiction in Germany as a San Marino cop on Hawaii...
Not exactly. The Schengen agreement entitles the police to cross the border to another Schengen country to continue the surveillance or pursuit begun in their home country.

Thus, if you raise your middle finger to the German police in Germany, you are not safe after crossing the Austrian border.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 10:44 PM   #7805
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Not exactly. The Schengen agreement entitles the police to cross the border to another Schengen country to continue the surveillance or pursuit begun in their home country.

Thus, if you raise your middle finger to the German police in Germany, you are not safe after crossing the Austrian border.
But he was talking about meeting Austrian policemen in Germany.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 10:45 PM   #7806
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Not exactly. The Schengen agreement entitles the police to cross the border to another Schengen country to continue the surveillance or pursuit begun in their home country.

Thus, if you raise your middle finger to the German police in Germany, you are not safe after crossing the Austrian border.
You aren't reading properly. I'm talking about Austrian police in Germany travelling from Austria to Austria (through Germany)
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Old July 1st, 2013, 10:49 PM   #7807
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You aren't reading properly.
I am. They have more power than San Marino cops in Hawaii, if they are in a middle of operation begun in Austria.

UK cops have no more power than San Marino cops in Hawaii in the mainland Europe.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 10:52 PM   #7808
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I am. They have more power than San Marino cops in Hawaii, if they are in a middle of operation begun in Austria.

UK cops have no more power than San Marino cops in Hawaii in the mainland Europe.
So you are telling me that if I am speeding in Germany, Czechs police may measure me and give me a fine?
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Old July 1st, 2013, 11:04 PM   #7809
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So you are telling me that if I am speeding in Germany, Czechs police may measure me and give me a fine?
Don't think so. Probably this inter-police collaboration is only for criminal offences, not traffic rules.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 11:07 PM   #7810
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According to this source: http://www.bljesak.info/web/article....d-638763899a91

the crossings will be as following:

fully equipped crossings (also for living animals and herbal products)

for road traffic and goods

for road traffic

only for travellers

only for locals
I don't get the difference between categories 3 and 4.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 11:09 PM   #7811
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I am. They have more power than San Marino cops in Hawaii, if they are in a middle of operation begun in Austria.

UK cops have no more power than San Marino cops in Hawaii in the mainland Europe.
Oh god...

If you travel from Innsbruck to Salzburg you travel through Germany.

Are you with me so far?

Germany is a different country than Austria.

You still follow?

These coppers are travelling from Austria to Austria through Germany. They've got **** all to say in Germany. If they break the law in Germany while travelling through there, they'll get their asses whipped by the German police. You understand? If I pull my middle finger they cannot touch me, for it's not their country to touch me.

Now read this again and again until you see the bigger picture.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 11:20 PM   #7812
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If I pull my middle finger they cannot touch me, for it's not their country to touch me.
All Germans observe any Austrian drivers on German Autobahns. Any German will immediately call the German police if one frigging Austrian will rise his middle finger, and the German police will grab you before lowering your finger...
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Old July 1st, 2013, 11:23 PM   #7813
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I don't get the difference between categories 3 and 4.
me neither...

maybe someone can clarify this, ill try to find some official source these days too...
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Old July 1st, 2013, 11:23 PM   #7814
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All Germans observe any Austrian drivers on German Autobahns. Any German will immediately call the German police if one frigging Austrian will rise his middle finger, and the German police will grab you before lowering your finger...
I'm not Austrian so I'm in the clear then.
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Old July 1st, 2013, 11:36 PM   #7815
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me neither...

maybe someone can clarify this, ill try to find some official source these days too...
3 includes some good but not big ticket items while 4 is for only passenger vehicles/bus.
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 12:16 AM   #7816
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Not many photos here lately...
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 12:21 AM   #7817
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I don't get the difference between categories 3 and 4.
I do, I think.

The difference will be in Customs possibilities - anyone wishing to obtain VAT refunds/making a declaration/etc will be required to go through Category 3 - "for road traffic" whereas Category 4 will be only for those travelling with the acceptable duty free amounts - ie, travellers. Probably the idea is that everyone travelling through those crossings will be assumed to be declaring "nothing to declare" - so anyone stopped at random will have the book thrown at them if they have anything over the duty free amounts.

But a few questions arise from that list :

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- Ivanica / Gornji Brgat
For goods traffic? There's no space there - when I was there, Gornji Brgat had no possibilities to clear Customs, and I didn't see any sign of clearance facilities at Ivanica too - has something changed?

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only for locals
I wish they would stop this idiotic practice and open up these crossings for all EU/BiH citizens - at least until Croatia joins Schengen. Some of these crossings are in places where there are no international crossings anywhere near - for instance Licka Kaldrma. At the very least, they could open them to EU citizens on foot/bike.

Final question : has Slovenia/Croatia now opened all former "local" border crossings for all EU citizens?

(edit : posted elsewhere - but does anyone know if Croatia/Slovenia have abandoned exit controls now?)

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Old July 2nd, 2013, 12:32 AM   #7818
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to get back on topic... short clip from one of the newest EU external borders

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Old July 2nd, 2013, 12:59 AM   #7819
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Not many photos here lately...
There will be new ones soon
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Old July 2nd, 2013, 01:15 AM   #7820
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Border crossing Grnčar at Montenegro-Albania border.



Albanian crossing Vermosh on the other side.

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