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Old July 16th, 2013, 05:49 AM   #7901
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I would strongly suggest that, regarding on recent history of the Western Balkans peninsula, we all try to avoid metaphors like "bullet holes" or "blood".
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Old July 16th, 2013, 11:10 AM   #7902
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Has someone some pics of the Swiss-French border inside the CERN complex near Geneve?
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Old July 16th, 2013, 07:47 PM   #7903
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spanish - "german" border 1941
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Old July 16th, 2013, 09:24 PM   #7904
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Interesting photo!
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Old July 17th, 2013, 07:35 AM   #7905
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spanish - "german" border 1941

What about this picture? was there a spain-germany border? or what?
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Old July 17th, 2013, 08:31 AM   #7906
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What about this picture? was there a spain-germany border? or what?
According to the signpost, it is french-spanish border seemingly from 1941/1942. France was already under German occupation.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 09:16 AM   #7907
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It was occupied by the Germans, but it was never a part of Germany.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 10:09 AM   #7908
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According to the signpost, it is french-spanish border seemingly from 1941/1942. France was already under German occupation.
Well, this must be in Basque Country then, because in 41-42, not the whole France was occupied:

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Old July 17th, 2013, 11:07 AM   #7909
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at present http://goo.gl/maps/a3mZ5

behobie ( basque country ) french-spanish border

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Old July 17th, 2013, 12:09 PM   #7910
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irun (E) - hendaye (F)








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Old July 17th, 2013, 12:23 PM   #7911
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spanish officers welcome german soldiers at the french border ( irun )
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1936 , spanish civil war refugees at the french border in hendaye
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german and spanish border officers
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le perthus (f-e border)





during the end of the spanish civil war

at present ,the first check point http://goo.gl/maps/TXMAF
and the second one ( in the village ) http://goo.gl/maps/pyTg5
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Old July 17th, 2013, 01:38 PM   #7915
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Same location?
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Where is it? I'd like to compare with Google Street View if possible...

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Old July 17th, 2013, 03:19 PM   #7916
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Interesting. I read that the French-Spanish border was highly controlled and militarized during Franco regime, similar to the border between East and West Europe.
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Old July 17th, 2013, 05:23 PM   #7917
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About the Spanish-"German" border

The Irun-Hendaye border is this one.
https://maps.google.es/maps?q=irun&h...ADs+Vasco&z=14

There are three bridges and two more for railways... but the tolled motorway wasn't built in the 2nd WW.

In Hendaye, Franco and Hitler had an interview about the neutral position of Spain (had finished a civil war just half a year before the 2nd WW, no possibility to enter in conflict but the logistic was really interesting). Franco had some points of view close to Hitler and was helped by him in the civil war (he kept in the government until 1975.... just two days before I was born)


But... there is one thing I have read about from different people but never watched a picture.

Canfranc station (https://maps.google.es/maps?q=canfra...ag%C3%B3n&z=16) is a huge station in the middle of the Pyrenees with a 8,1 km tunnel opened in 1928 (exactly... tomorrow is the anniversary, July 18th).

Usually French-Spanish "railway borders" has two stations in both sides. Any train goes to the other country with passengers and return empty (Irun-Hendaye station are about 1 km away only). This helps that you will buy the ticket always in the country of that company. This is, if you make a Paris-Madrid, you buy a Paris-Irun train, and the train gets back to Hendaye empty (only one km). And later in Irun you buy (nowadays possible by internet) an Irun-Madrid.
Conversely... a Madrid-Paris will be Madrid-Hendaye (and return empty to Irun) and Hendaye-Paris. All these stations had custom cabins and a "line" where it was said you had crossed the border (although the control could be in the other country, it was allowed to have an exit control by the first police before that line)

But in Canfranc it was too expensive. It was a 8,1 km tunnel built in the begining of the 20th century and.... opened exactly 85 years ago (less one day, the anniversary is tomorrow)

The treaty was:

Canfranc station (two km. away from the village of Canfranc) will be a binational village.
Therefore, French railway personnel lived in Canfranc with their own school in French and some services were specific for French (business, administration) as well as other ones were common for both citizens. French police had presence there too.

As can be understood, there was a huge custom in the station. Specially because goods. They have a lot of traffic. All freight and passengers had to cross Spanish and French customs (and it is curious because the main building is quite loooooong but not wide).

French railway personnel were allowed to stay just within Canfran station village. Should they wanted to go away (even though to a picnic or so), they had to enter in the station and make all formalities about inmigration. This is... while they were inside the village they were in French territory and no problem but if they left the village they had to cross the border via station customs)


And.... in the second world war, the German army arrived there and set the former flag in the station (in the French side) replacing the French flag.


In one book I read, a former Spanish deputy and well known politician talked about it. He was very young, just a child, but he remembered that. He dead some years ago but he was interviewed five or six years before he was death. His family had a summer cottage exactly in that village and he went there several summers.

His father was a director of a German bilingual school and he was a pupil of that school. Hence he could speak German (yeah.... in Spain we haven't have any president in the last century who could speak any word of English, just one who spoke fluent French.... and this deputy could speak German).
He said he remember the former German flag but was not surprised because he was used to have a German culture inmersion in the school (really not very often in the 30ish-40ish) and they had the "official" German flag in the school in a corner so it was... just the same.



And.... it was not only the former German flag replacing the French one in the French custom side but German army and Spanish police going together along the village at any time. It was known that any movement to quit Spain (civil war just ended) or to quit France (in the middle of 2nd WW) was quite easy via Canfranc so the control was exhaustive.




The railway service kept until 1970 and now three daily buses makes the same journey, and managed by SNCF (you have to ask a ticket in a railway station).

While the station of Canfranc had an railway officer, the SNCF bus never left the station until he was allowed because in any case, it was a train replacing service... Nowadays there is no station officer.



And..... the binational treaty for that town is currently on... but not in use.



By the way, if you search SSC banners, there is a Canfranc station banner (year 2010). Just look for it looking by city and set "Canfranc (ES)"
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Old July 17th, 2013, 05:30 PM   #7918
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Same location?

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Where is it? I'd like to compare with Google Street View if possible...
yes its the same place , hendaye (F)
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here'is the border of the old picture at present in hendaye ( the old bridge is in the middle and the one on the right is for trains ),
http://goo.gl/maps/zqO4q french side
http://goo.gl/maps/ENWzJ spanish side

in 1965 more or less was built the new one

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Old July 17th, 2013, 06:04 PM   #7920
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