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Old July 18th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #7981
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Not at all. You don't really understand how this works. Switzerland is in Schengen too. Because you can visit Switzerland without any obstacle, it doesn't mean you can stay there forever or work etc. Moreover, it doesn't mean the police won't pull you over, if they want to check your passport or ID card.

Hell, the UK and Ireland are both outside the Schengen Area but they have signed a bilateral "Schengen-style" agreement and crossing from the republic of Ireland to Northern Ireland is utterly free of checks. Is that bad too?
It is not always free of checks, and often every single passenger gets checked by police at the port of Holyhead. They should do it more often. Open borders is nice, but I find security far more important. At least the French and Germans understand this. Also, in between Schengen countries not everything can be moved freely. Too many cigarettes, alcohol and fuel in cans still has to be declared.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 04:53 PM   #7982
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So you fly from England to the Old Continent every day or something?
I drive around in a van doing European express deliveries for a company in the UK. I've moved out of the UK 4 years ago and moved to Austria, but still do it freelance in my own van for the same UK company as in this job it doesn't matter where you live. Been doing this for 10 years now.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #7983
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They could do that but most of the time they don't. As I said, they glance over it which means exactly that and there is no swiping, checking in the database, etc.
The French don't, the Germans and Dutch do. Always.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #7984
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It is not always free of checks, and often every single passenger gets checked by police at the port of Holyhead. They should do it more often. Open borders is nice, but I find security far more important. At least the French and Germans understand this. Also, in between Schengen countries not everything can be moved freely. Too many cigarettes, alcohol and fuel in cans still has to be declared.

Basically that's because the Single Market does not exist yet. If I import something from England for example, the custom officer will charge me something like 2% as an additional tax.

Regarding checks, Are you implying that there are police checks on the roads that connect Northern Ireland to the Republic, at the border lines?
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Old July 18th, 2013, 05:00 PM   #7985
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Basically that's because the Single Market does not exist yet. If I import something from England for example, the custom officer will charge me something like 2% as an additional tax.

Regarding checks, Are you implying that there are police checks on the roads that connect Northern Ireland to the Republic, at the border lines?
I don't know, I've always moved freely on that border. But they do between the Republic and the UK mainland at times. Even at the Dublin and Dun Laoghaire ports there are Irish customs officers present, although I never got checked by them. Only by the Welsh police quite often.

Also, these excise limits I've mentioned also applies on the mainland of Europe within Schengen. If you decide to fill your car with thousands of cigarettes from Luxembourg and you come across a French stop and search from the Douanes the French will have ya. And they will have you good! French customs are likely to stop you anywhere in France, not just at borders. Toll plazas are good places to pull you out...

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Old July 18th, 2013, 05:18 PM   #7986
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It seems particularly Bulgarians have found a way to scam the Dutch welfare system...
Don't you always whine about gypsy generalizations?

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The sign at 1'05" is written in Latin, Chinese and Cyrillic script ... but not in Urdu script, the only one official in Pakistan?
Not to mention "Alam Ata".
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Old July 18th, 2013, 05:27 PM   #7987
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Don't you always whine about gypsy generalizations?
It's a hot news item in Holland. And a Dutch news crew actually went to Bulgaria to a village where the locals were boasting how they did these runs to Holland to get money of the government.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 05:32 PM   #7988
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yes. racism and prejudices are a form of public opinion that is quite popular in NL, suprisingly. unfortunatelly they are resilient toxic ideas and fed by groups with short-term interests and haters.

volkskrant had a police report that was telling: from people involved/caught in human trafficking in 2012 over a thousand were dutch citizens. next in line were bulgarians at 40 indivuals. hmmmm

isolationism is not the solution. europe and the world needs more mobility not this nation-state BS
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Old July 18th, 2013, 05:33 PM   #7989
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It's a hot news item in Holland. And a Dutch news crew actually went to Bulgaria to a village where the locals were boasting how they did these runs to Holland to get money of the government.
Many of those Bulgarians are probably gypsies (but I'm not sure if majority).
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First there were cavemen, then villages, then city-states, then kingdoms, then empires, then nation states, then Unions of States (European Union, African Union, South American Union....) then what? Whatever comes next, it WILL come. History leaves no doubts about that. Evolution is unstoppable, in all regards: Natural, political, cultural, etc.

The only question is when and how countries (states) will be like.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 05:58 PM   #7991
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Don't you always whine about gypsy generalizations?
I wanted to ask the same, but it's useless. People like him blame others for generalization, but use it too, but twist the meaning so it suits them and then it should be alright.

I guess there should only be an elite Schengen, with D, NL, F, DK, B, L, maybe A, and all problems there will be solved, and they will live happy without those nasty EEs ruining their wonderful life.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 06:00 PM   #7992
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I wanted to ask the same, but it's useless. People like him blame others for generalization, but use it too, but twist the meaning so it suits them and then it should be alright.

I guess there should only be an elite Schengen, with D, NL, F, DK, B, L, maybe A, and all problems there will be solved, and they will live happy without those nasty EEs ruining their wonderful life.
You forgot Finland Sweden , Spain and Portugal.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 06:05 PM   #7993
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Finland, Sweden, Norway can be added too.

Spain and Portugal are corrupt, bankrupt with high unemployment.
Those Latins are not suited to healthy western mentality, the same goes for Italy.

Then you can all live happy lives and leave us EE criminals in peace.
Or wait, you only like those EEs who do work you don't like doing anymore?
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Old July 18th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #7994
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You forgot Finland Sweden , Spain and Portugal.
Don't worry about us... Finland, Sweden and Norway could screw Schengen and do very well with our own union, just with the three.

Whenever going to or coming from any other country, we must stop anyway (be it Russia, a ferry terminal, or Øresund toll booth). Border checks wouldn't make it much worse.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 06:11 PM   #7995
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Finland, Sweden, Norway can be added too.

Spain and Portugal are corrupt, bankrupt with high unemployment.
Those Latins are not suited to healthy western mentality, the same goes for Italy.

Then you can all live happy lives and leave us EE criminals in peace.
Or wait, you only like those EEs who do work you don't like doing anymore?
That'd be handy. That's where the Pole's come in. I'm all for integration, and I do hope that Bulgaria and Romania get everything in order which will see them fit to join Schengen. Poland managed, and I can see them becoming a European powerhouse once the crisis is over.

Anyway, you're like an ex girlfriend of mine. She always used to say that she'll ignore me, but she never did...
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Don't worry about us... Finland, Sweden and Norway could screw Schengen and do very well with our own union, just with the three.

Whenever going to or coming from any other country, we must stop anyway (be it Russia, a ferry terminal, or Øresund toll booth). Border checks wouldn't make it much worse.
I'm not worried about you. I happen to love these countries. I want to get in...
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I'm not worried about you. I happen to love these countries. I want to get in...
Well, that was pretty easy before Schengen, provided your documents were ok - and there wasn't even a bridge. I don't mean it should be any harder by now...
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By the way, there has been a lot of customs checks at Helsingborg lately. But unlike the French and Germans they always leave me alone.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 06:50 PM   #7999
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I'm all for integration, and I do hope that Bulgaria and Romania get everything in order which will see them fit to join Schengen. .
they are already prepared. multiple reports have indicated this as "technically fully prepared"

due to poltical reasons ( thus subjective/rehtoeric/perceptions/societal/cutlural/surface reasons) in the home countries of western european states, the MCV ( mechanism for co-operations and verfication) that is part of the EU accession is now used as a benchmark to "hold accountable" eastern states before they are royally allowed to join the noble and superior schengen states. in fact it is the lack of politcal capital of the politicians and the bigoted views of the populace that hinders this expansion. the zeitgeist.

as such, just as media feeds the fears and hates of its readers, polticians and eurocrats act on the subjective abstract perceptions which they need to get elected.

of course there are structural problems with romania and bulgaria, poverty and criminality and roma integration being the main ones. but these are not directly schengen related.the issue only serves to identify the entrenched views that rule the politics in member states because it gives a chance for voices to oppose soemthing that in fact is already accomplished (freedom of movement).

in fact i ahve met many people that are ignorant about wehter romania is in the EU, what it entails, and what schengen could change. however they are still adamant about having an opinion even if it is an uninformed one. blame it on the gut feeling.
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By the way, there has been a lot of customs checks at Helsingborg lately. But unlike the French and Germans they always leave me alone.
We (me and my wife) were stopped right after the bridge toll (going to Sweden) and had our car inspected a couple of weeks ago. We were just on a holiday with a person car.

I usually speak Swedish in Sweden but the officer's dialect was so difficult (close to Danish) that we changed into English...
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