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Old July 18th, 2013, 07:41 PM   #8001
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It's a hot news item in Holland. And a Dutch news crew actually went to Bulgaria to a village where the locals were boasting how they did these runs to Holland to get money of the government.
That means that those Bulgarians (who legally did nothing wrong BTW) looked very good to the Dutch people how to collect as much money as possible. Strange enough, the latter seems to be forgotten quickly in those discussions.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 07:49 PM   #8002
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due to poltical reasons ( thus subjective/rehtoeric/perceptions/societal/cutlural/surface reasons) in the home countries of western european states, the MCV ( mechanism for co-operations and verfication) that is part of the EU accession is now used as a benchmark to "hold accountable" eastern states before they are royally allowed to join the noble and superior schengen states. in fact it is the lack of politcal capital of the politicians and the bigoted views of the populace that hinders this expansion. the zeitgeist.
Don't forget they are also afraid that the illegal immigrants from Greece will have a free land route to Western Europe if Bulgaria and Romania join the Schengen Area. Basically, they want the 2 countries to act as additional layers of protection for them. All that border security is paid by Bg&Ro, while in the meantime they also suffer economic loses because the international traffic in/out of their countries is hindered. This is bullshit. If I were in charge of the 2 countries, I would spend the money on something more useful and let all the illegals go through. It's not like they're going to stay in Bulgaria or Romania anyway.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 07:51 PM   #8003
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u can not refer to the migrants as" illegals" technically and ethically afaik. yes they should go through.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 07:57 PM   #8004
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Don't forget they are also afraid that the illegal immigrants from Greece will have a free land route to Western Europe if Bulgaria and Romania join the Schengen Area. Basically, they want the 2 countries to act as additional layers of protection for them. All that border security is paid by Bg&Ro, while in the meantime they also suffer economic loses because the international traffic in/out of their countries is hindered. This is bullshit. If I were in charge of the 2 countries, I would spend the money on something more useful and let all the illegals go through. It's not like they're going to stay in Bulgaria or Romania anyway.
The two countries should at least implement a mini-Schengen between each other.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:01 PM   #8005
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Don't forget they are also afraid that the illegal immigrants from Greece will have a free land route to Western Europe if Bulgaria and Romania join the Schengen Area. Basically, they want the 2 countries to act as additional layers of protection for them. All that border security is paid by Bg&Ro, while in the meantime they also suffer economic loses because the international traffic in/out of their countries is hindered. This is bullshit. If I were in charge of the 2 countries, I would spend the money on something more useful and let all the illegals go through. It's not like they're going to stay in Bulgaria or Romania anyway.
Then they would be stopped by the Hungarian police and you'd have plenty of them in Romania.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:08 PM   #8006
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migrants are caught around the borders but that can unfortunately continue post-schengen also. there is lots of romaian hungarian common policing already underway.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:12 PM   #8007
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u can not refer to the migrants as "illegals" technically and ethically afaik. yes they should go through.
How about "undocumented immigrants" then? Is it euphemistic enough?

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The two countries should at least implement a mini-Schengen between each other.
I've been saying the same for few years already. That's the first measure I would take.

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Then they would be stopped by the Hungarian police and you'd have plenty of them in Romania.
I count on their ingenuity to get through the Ro-Hu border. The Hungarian border guard is pretty soft on our segment.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:27 PM   #8008
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Then they would probably kick Hungary out of Schengen and I don't think they want that.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:29 PM   #8009
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maybe he is judging on the passengers flux. remember people commute and live across borders in the battonya region for example. yet every truck gets scanned and the migrants are cuffed, stay assured. u can enquire at the frontier police arad faciliities, there are transit and detention centers.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 08:52 PM   #8010
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We (me and my wife) were stopped right after the bridge toll (going to Sweden) and had our car inspected a couple of weeks ago. We were just on a holiday with a person car.

I usually speak Swedish in Sweden but the officer's dialect was so difficult (close to Danish) that we changed into English...
Yes, people told me that the Danish language has far more in common with Stockholm and onwards than the Helsingborg and Malmö area, even though it borders with Denmark.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 09:00 PM   #8011
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I wouldn't call Vichy France "Free France"...
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It's "Free Zone", not "Free France", dear .
What we call "Free France" was the French resistance and anti-Vichy/anti-Nazi organization founded by de Gaulle in June 1940 in London and its armed forces (aka the Free French Forces) based outside the French metropolitan territory, such as in UK for example, but also in the French colonial empire.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 09:21 PM   #8012
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It's "Free Zone", not "Free France", dear .
What we call "Free France" was the French resistance and anti-Vichy/anti-Nazi organization founded by de Gaulle in June 1940 in London and its armed forces (aka the Free French Forces) based outside the French metropolitan territory, such as in UK for example, but also in the French colonial empire.
Yeah,here is a map oh the borders of the only free territory in 1941

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Old July 18th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #8013
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That means that those Bulgarians (who legally did nothing wrong BTW) looked very good to the Dutch people how to collect as much money as possible. Strange enough, the latter seems to be forgotten quickly in those discussions.
As impressed as the Dutch may have been, I don't think any of them approved on how they simply took taxpayers money.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 11:50 PM   #8014
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Many of those Bulgarians are probably gypsies (but I'm not sure if majority).
A VAST majority. And it's true about Romanians, too.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 11:54 PM   #8015
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Here it doesn't make a difference. In Austrian, UK and Dutch newspapers you often read about Romanians committing crimes. You never read whether they're gypsies or not, it's the nationality what counts.
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Old July 18th, 2013, 11:55 PM   #8016
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It's "Free Zone", not "Free France", dear .
What we call "Free France" was the French resistance and anti-Vichy/anti-Nazi organization founded by de Gaulle in June 1940 in London and its armed forces (aka the Free French Forces) based outside the French metropolitan territory, such as in UK for example, but also in the French colonial empire.
Well in my honest opinion, France was "free" same way that time, as North Korea is currently "democratic".
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Old July 18th, 2013, 11:57 PM   #8017
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I, too, think that the main reason for RO and BG are not allowed to join the Schengen treaty, is Greece. GR-TR border is quite easy to be crossed illegally, and RO and BG joining Schengen, these illegal immigrants could have a free way to dozens of European countries.
The best way would be RO and BG joining the treaty but GR being excluded - however it is not applicable by political reasons.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 12:01 AM   #8018
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A VAST majority. And it's true about Romanians, too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...eek-in-UK.html

.. http://m.guardian.co.uk/politics/201...romanian-crime
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Old July 19th, 2013, 12:08 AM   #8019
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Yes, people told me that the Danish language has far more in common with Stockholm and onwards than the Helsingborg and Malmö area, even though it borders with Denmark.
Oh, I could have claimed just the opposite.

Anyway, Malmö and Helsingborg are the only places in which I've had problems with Swedish language since graduating from high school. Never in Stockholm.

When in Norway, I speak something like mixed Swedish-Norwegian. This means that even if I don't remember all words or grammatical things, I just use the Swedish ones instead and still get understood pretty well.

When in Denmark, I speak English. I understand written Danish but not spoken, and I don't even give a try to speak myself.
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What about UK criminal numbers?
What about non-european criminals?
What about African, Arab, radical muslims, drug dealers, etc.? Or have they already got UK citizenship, so no problems there?

4000 Romanians convicted. But how many Romanians work hard and pay taxes in the UK and help the economy? Of course, honest people are never noticed...
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