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Old July 19th, 2013, 11:48 AM   #8041
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I agree. The Americans always wonder who they have to speak to if they want to phone Europe. Self interest, lack of cooperation, lack of democracy and bureaucracy are a few of the main reasons that a fully united Europe will never work.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 02:45 PM   #8042
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Are Greeks such poor, so they are unable to afford an air ticket and travel to western europe directly?
Maybe, who knows?
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Old July 19th, 2013, 02:46 PM   #8043
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The Greeks are not the problem. They're in the EU and Schengen anyway.
Good to hear that!
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Old July 19th, 2013, 04:15 PM   #8044
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I'm half English/Dutch, grew up in both countries, travel through the whole of Europe for a living (including East) - cross these borders everyday, now live in Austria, Tirol, right tucked in between Germany and Italy, I speak English, Dutch German and French, married to a Russian girl and love all countries I go to.
I don't care who or what you are. Enjoy your border free travels and stop making sweeping generalizations about Eastern Europeans. Is that too much to ask?

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Are Greeks such poor, so they are unable to afford an air ticket and travel to western europe directly?
WTF dude? Obviously, I wasn't talking about Greek citizens. I was talking about the undocumented immigrants trapped inside Greece but who have as final destination Western Europe. There are huge numbers of them, because of Greece's geographical position and its very long and difficult to secure maritime borders. Those immigrants cannot take a plane or ferry from Greece to a WE country because they don't have documents, but when Bulgaria and Romania will join the Schengen Area they'll be able to reach Western Europe on land without facing any additional controls.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 04:51 PM   #8045
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I don't care who or what you are. Enjoy your border free travels and stop making sweeping generalizations about Eastern Europeans. Is that too much to ask?

WTF dude? Obviously, I wasn't talking about Greek citizens. I was talking about the undocumented immigrants trapped inside Greece but who have as final destination Western Europe. There are huge numbers of them, because of Greece's geographical position and its very long and difficult to secure maritime borders. Those immigrants cannot take a plane or ferry from Greece to a WE country because they don't have documents, but when Bulgaria and Romania will join the Schengen Area they'll be able to reach Western Europe on land without facing any additional controls.
First of all you are not in a position in what I can or can't say, secondly you obviously don't know your arse from your elbow, seeing the crap you come out with, and finally... Looking at your posts, I get the impression that you enjoy crossing swords with Britons, claiming that the EU is none of your business. Why is that?

As for the last bit of your post... Is that a good thing? If Romania were to join Schengen, it will be responsible for securing the outer borders on behalf of the whole of Europe.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 04:55 PM   #8046
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First of all you are not in a position in what I can or can't say, secondly you obviously don't know your arse from your elbow, seeing the crap you come out with, and finally... Looking at your posts, I get the impression that you enjoy crossing swords with Britons, claiming that the EU is none of your business. Why is that?

As of the last bit of your post... Is that a good thing? If Romania were to join Schengen, it will be responsible for securing the outer borders on behalf of the whole of Europe.
It is still responsible now for securing outer borders.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 04:58 PM   #8047
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It is still responsible now for securing outer borders.
Yes and once it joins Schengen, it will have a duty to stop people who have already gone that far coming to western Europe.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 05:04 PM   #8048
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this already happens, not that i agree with the migrant phobia.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 05:08 PM   #8049
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Well in my honest opinion, France was "free" same way that time, as North Korea is currently "democratic".
Says the guy from (where exactly)? Ah, yes, from Bratislawhatever. ()



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PS: Please forgive me, I'm a bit (waay too much) defensive on such issues.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 05:21 PM   #8050
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Geez... calm down, people.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 05:28 PM   #8051
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Why is that?
I only do that from time to time, when I come across Britons displaying the 'little englander' syndrome.

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As for the last bit of your post... Is that a good thing? If Romania were to join Schengen, it will be responsible for securing the outer borders on behalf of the whole of Europe.
I'm not saying it's a good thing, I was merely explaining one of real reasons why the Schengen entry for Bulgaria and Romania was postponed.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 08:15 PM   #8052
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I see you're derailing threads elsewhere too, not just on DLM.
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Old July 19th, 2013, 08:50 PM   #8053
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I am going to Bulgaria next week. Because the Schengen agreement is not activated yet, I will probably waste a few minutes at the borders (I 'll be with a group of 5 friends in one car). IF I had to cross those borders every day, I would waste 12-18 hours in one year!
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Old July 19th, 2013, 09:04 PM   #8054
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I only do that from time to time, when I come across Britons displaying the 'little englander' syndrome.

I'm not saying it's a good thing, I was merely explaining one of real reasons why the Schengen entry for Bulgaria and Romania was postponed.
Tell me the truth. You're either a British expat or you've lived in the UK for a very long time, haven't you?
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Old July 19th, 2013, 09:25 PM   #8055
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Tell me the truth. You're either a British expat or you've lived in the UK for a very long time, haven't you?
LOL! I'm neither a British expat, nor have I lived in the UK for a very long time. Either way, I'm going to stop here, because Cosmin is back and apparently he's watching me.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 12:32 PM   #8056
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Old July 20th, 2013, 12:42 PM   #8057
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romania and bulgaria should be allowed to join schengen as fast as possible. no question about that. if we started this whole eu/schengen-thing together, we should bring it to the end finally. by the way, how long is that damn border with turkey to BG and GR? 200 kilometers? it should be possible in 2013 to watch that border properly.

on the other hand, i would make it nearly impossible for imigrants from any third-world country to settle in europe.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #8058
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May I interject?

This thread has become unreadable.
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Old July 20th, 2013, 01:22 PM   #8059
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i will never understand why changing opinions offend some people. anyway, somebody please post some pictures from a booth and a barrier so everybody is happy again...
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Old July 20th, 2013, 01:32 PM   #8060
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i will never understand why changing opinions offend some people. anyway, somebody please post some pictures from a booth and a barrier so everybody is happy again...
Maybe because this thread is called "international border crossings", and not "what do you think about gypsies and stuff".
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