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Old July 23rd, 2013, 02:18 PM   #8121
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there I was doing military service
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there I was doing military service in 1986......
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Maybe it was the old E-road classification...
Yes, it's E61 now and it's the same border crossing as on the other pics - Pesek (sand) / Kozina (in Krvavi potok (bloody creek )).
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 02:48 PM   #8122
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Yes, it's E61 now and it's the same border crossing as on the other pics - Pesek (sand) / Kozina (in Krvavi potok (bloody creek )).
There are many "bloody creeks" (creeks, caves full of blood) in that area, if we reminds 1945 events.
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 03:02 PM   #8123
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"Creek" is American for a stream, not a cave.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 03:02 PM   #8124
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Inscriprion on the Monte Sabotino near Gorizia (the red line is the border).

The building, on the Italian soil, is an old military installation from the cold war era.
In the opposite side of then mountain they wrote:


Border stones on that mountain
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In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 03:12 PM   #8125
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Is "W" simply "viva" or more like "Viva il Duce!"?
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 03:34 PM   #8126
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Is "W" simply "viva" or more like "Viva il Duce!"?
W is simply viva. For example Milan supporters write and shout "W Milan".

Another use in this land art work near Gorizia:



It's still visible on Google Maps but the famous label "Strada dei Campi" was removed by Google and isn't googlable anymore with its famous address.
https://maps.google.it/maps?q=Farra+...ia+Giulia&z=17
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“The transponder’s personalised signal would be picked up when the car passed through an intersection, and then relayed to a central computer which would calculate the charge according to the intersection and the time of day and add it to the car’s bill” - Nobel Economics Prize winner William Vickrey, proposing a system of electronic tolling for the Washington metropolitan area, 1959
In real life, electronic toll collection was first introduced in Bergen, Norway in 1986, and well into the 21th century many countries still struggle to implement it.

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Old July 23rd, 2013, 07:11 PM   #8127
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Slovenia was guilty of not checking passports properly on exit before Croatia joined the EU, but now it sounds like they're doing the same as many other countries - not bothering to check EU citizens properly and often frequently waving them through on the basis of a passport cover alone.
really!? i have never, but really never entered nor exited Slovenia without getting stamp!
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 08:29 PM   #8128
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http://www.panoramio.com/photo/38634449


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Mountain border crossing between Greece and Albania (Koshovice).
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Old July 23rd, 2013, 08:42 PM   #8129
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Greece - Albania mountain borders. There is no clear border line although it is determined by the summit line!

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/64519...=kh.google.com


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/57839...=kh.google.com

Mt. Grammos border signs (Greece-Albania).

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Old July 24th, 2013, 04:32 PM   #8130
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Border stone at the bank of the Danube in Kladovo, Serbia. On the other side is Turnu Severin in Romania.

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Old July 24th, 2013, 05:49 PM   #8131
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arribes del duero , border P-E



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Old July 26th, 2013, 04:36 PM   #8132
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Live cams on the Spanish Gibraltar border, where queues are starting to build up. This is due to revenge from the Spanish authorities due to tension that has been happening in Gibraltar waters today between the British army and police vs the Spanish Guardia Civil....

www.frontierqueue.gi/

Guardia Civil vessel attempted to
exercise executive action over a
Gibraltar-based tug in British Gibraltar
territorial waters yesterday.
The tug and its barge were engaged in
work to lay concrete blocks on the
seabed as part of a Gibraltar
Government-plan to create an artificial
reef in the area.
But with the Spanish fishing boat Divina
Providencia just metres away, the
Guardia Civil did not take long to move
in.
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Old July 26th, 2013, 04:40 PM   #8133
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HMS SABRE called on Rio Cadena "to cease
actions and leave British Gibraltar Territorial
Waters immediately"
A few moments ago the Guardia Civil vessel ‘Rio
Cadena’ was being pursued the Royal Navy
vessel ‘HMS Sabre’ as she navigated along the
Gibraltar moles at 100 metres from them
HMS SABRE called on Rio Cadena "to cease
actions and leave British Gibraltar Territorial
Waters immediately"
The GC vessel being a much faster vessel and
having a head start of half a mile continued her
course regardless...
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Old July 26th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #8134
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LATEST.... Border queues are building up on the Gibraltar side
of the land frontier. At present queues are building
up to a 45 minute wait and it seems that the
Guardia Civil are employing the now traditional
"delay tactics" as a reaction to Gibraltar's small
win in Gibraltar Waters yesterday.
As has become the norm, the Spanish Government
order delays at the frontier in order to
inconvenience Gibraltarians and visitors to the
Rock. The reality is that whilst locals are affected,
the largely affected are the near 8000 - 9000
Spanish workers who come in daily to work in
Gibraltar. They normally have to endure long waits
at the border that prolong themselves into hours
after a hard day's work in Gibraltar, and under the
Summer sun and today's temperature which
exceeds 30 degrees Celsius.
Unconfirmed reports are circulating in Gibraltar that
Guardia Civil border agents have threatened that
we could be facing 7 - hour delays at the land
border this evening.
http://www.frontierqueue.gi/
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Old July 26th, 2013, 04:45 PM   #8135
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WATERS LATEST>>>>
Guardia Civil vessel chased out of British Gibraltar
Territorial Waters by Royal Navy.
Time for more Tea. Bliss!
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Old July 26th, 2013, 04:56 PM   #8136
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Map of the Free Territory of Trieste (1953)

Notice that the demarcation line between the A-zone (allied-occupied) and B-zone (Yugoslavia-occipied) doesn't match perfectly with the current I-SLO border, as we lost few square kms more near Muggia in 1954 (when the Free Territory of Trieste ceased to exist).
You can notice the Sistiana-Opicina 2-lane expressway that was built by allies after WWII and now it's mostly part of the RA13 motorway.

Although in 1954 the Memorandum of London declared that Italy will temporarily administrate the A-zone (except few sq. kms given to YU) and Yugoslavia the B-zone, nothing was said about the definitive sovreignity of those lands. Italy could still claim its sovreignity in the B-zone and vice-versa.

Between 1947 and 1954, the Free Territory of Trieste was officially an indipendent country, recognized by the UN as such and received Marshall Plan funds separately. However, practically, it was made by two different entities, with a different government, currency and border controls between them.

After 20 years of de-facto annexation of those territories, Italy and Yugoslavia signed the Osimo Treaty in 1975. The two countries agreed to make definitive the "temporary administration" stated by the Memorandum of London. Both countries renounced of any claim on the territory assigned to the other.

But... there was still a problem. The UN never signed the dissolution of the Free Territory of Trieste, so even if this country disappeared 59 years ago, the ownership of the Trieste province by Italy (and probably also of the Istrian littoral by Slovenia and Croatia) still isn't 100% legally legitimated.

This allows some citizens of Trieste to found a movement that support the indipendence of Trieste from Italy (similar to the more (in)famous Suedtiroler Volkspartei in Alto Adige). In the case of Trieste, the main aim of this "indipendentism" isn't patriotic but economical: they wish to avoid paying the Italian taxes and make the little province a tax heaven.
I pointed it out a year or more ago: this 2 laned but unusually wide expressway was OBVIOUSLY built between the years 1945 and 1948 to help transportation of tanks from ITA-TLT zone A border to TLT zone A-TLT zone B border, to prevent any attempt of Yugoslav Army to recapture city of Trieste. Similarly, at the coast in vicinity of Poreč/Parenzo Yugoslav Army erected two small bunkers (still exist today) to shoot on Allied troops in the possible case of capturing Western Istrian Coast.
Of course that, after Tito broke with Stalin, when FPRY (Federal People's Republic (of) Yugoslavia) unofficially entered NATO, this installations became obsolete.
Thank you for posting this map.
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However, I would say that rather late rebuilding of this expressway into RA13 in the middle of the 1980es should suggest that the Allies and NATO did not believe in official Yugoslav policy, at least until signing of Osimo Treaty in 1975. (Tito in 1956 turned back from NATO and started his "unaligned" policy.)
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It is possible that the impression of this expressway turned back Tito and his hardliner "Krajina" generals (Jovanic, Ljubicic, Kadijevic etc.) from supporting Kavčič administration in Slovenia and Savka Dabčević Kučar administration in Croatia and premature cease of building Ljubljana-Koper and Zagreb-Karlovac-Rijeka/Split motorways in 1971. The consequences of this decision are very well known and still present.
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June 1991: Slovenian soldiers replace the Yugoslavian entry sign with the Slovenian one by the Italian border

If many Italians probably don't know that a part of our country (Trieste province) wasn't Italian until as late as 1954, probably even less know that we had an armed conflict fought just outside our borders only 20 years ago. Yes, the Yugoslav tanks arrived only few meters before Italy in Nova Gorica.
When the JNA was defeated and Slovenia and Croatia declared their indipendence, Yugoslav soldiers had to escape from Slovenia and Croatia. The Italian government agreed that they could cross into Italy and escape by boat from the Trieste port. Trieste citizens, that remembered the horrible Yugoslavian invasion that just 46 years before killed thousands of Italian citizens, started a revolt against the decision of our government: allowing the JNA passing through Trieste is like allowing the SS passing through Israel. So they made an agreement that they could escape through Koper port.
I congratulate to the brave Trieste citizens that they not allowed the enemy to enter in the beautiful city of Trieste again!
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Old July 26th, 2013, 05:24 PM   #8140
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And Zagreb (I was there in 1992). What also interested me: the then Croatian bordercrossing with Hunary still had "Yugoslav" coloured ramps.
This is saying much about Croatian laziness and sloppiness: Croatian Railyaws even today possess all distance markings at railroads from Belgrade!!!

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