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Old July 29th, 2013, 10:55 AM   #8161
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Brand new EU border sign. I ignore the name of the POI.
Should not be the "Republika Hrvatska" heading written in the center of the circle made of stars instead of EU?

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Old July 29th, 2013, 11:07 AM   #8162
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Should not be the "Republika Hrvatska" heading written in the center of the circle made of stars instead of EU?
I believe this is only used for Schengen states. Romania also uses a similar type of signage on the border with Moldova.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 12:39 PM   #8163
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not quite, the above type is used at external eu border, the country name inside the stars is used at internal border crossings. I wonder if Slovenia changed now its signs at border with Croatia.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 12:58 PM   #8164
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Old July 29th, 2013, 01:10 PM   #8165
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Yes. Spain's way of wanting to disrupt life in Gibraltar. What Spain doesn't realise is that it affects 1000's of Spanish workers crossing that border every day to go to work.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 02:26 PM   #8166
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Yes. Spain's way of wanting to disrupt life in Gibraltar. What Spain doesn't realise is that it affects 1000's of Spanish workers crossing that border every day to go to work.
But also to buy cheap fuel, tobacco and other stuff. Is this that Spain doesn't like.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 02:34 PM   #8167
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It's got nothing to do with that. It's about the Guardia Civil trying to play God in Gibraltar waters, and it ended up in a conflict between the Spanish Guardia Civil and the Gibraltar Royal Police. As a revenge they've decided to check every single vehicle on the border going both ways in and out. One every 30 minutes were allowed to go through in sweltering temperatures. On the Gibraltar side there was the police and volunteers to assist waiting motorists with water and aid. One the Spanish side, where there was also up to 6 hour delays, there was nothing apart from a Guardia Civil officer beating up a Gibraltarian as the Gibraltar Police on the other side looked on helplessly. It's all about the Spanish not willing to accept that Gibraltar is and will remain British, so they turn to medieval practices to disrupt life in good ol' Gib as much as they can.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 03:08 PM   #8168
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Isn't that what you want? No Schengen, control every car. You posted some days ago that you want no more Schengen between some EU member states and pointed UK as example, not being Schengen member
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Old July 29th, 2013, 04:20 PM   #8169
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I believe this is only used for Schengen states. Romania also uses a similar type of signage on the border with Moldova.
Bulgaria is not a Schengen state but also has the wellknown European signs at the border.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 04:43 PM   #8170
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I crossed the Greece-Bulgaria border, yesterday (Kulata). It took me under a minute for each direction. I stopped (5 passengers in the car), ID cards barely checked within a few seconds and then I drove again. Piece of cake.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 04:52 PM   #8171
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Isn't that what you want? No Schengen, control every car. You posted some days ago that you want no more Schengen between some EU member states and pointed UK as example, not being Schengen member
Only with certain countries. Like Romania for example. Besides, Gibraltar doesn't fall under Schengen. Checks have always taken place on that border, and when I go through both the Spanish as well as the Gibraltar authorities always take a look in the back of my van. That's not a bad thing. It only takes a a couple of minutes. Same as when I crossed the Hungary Romania border the last time, and I ended up chatting about the weather and road conditions with the Romanian border guard...
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Old July 29th, 2013, 07:28 PM   #8172
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Have watched on tv and ministery says that just regular checks at all. Not being part os schengen means that they can glance your car or making and exhaustive check.

Considering the amount of drugs smugglered from the rock yearly (and the beginning of the conflict) seems something like "we will not have facilities to control sea smugglers but we will check all the cars"

I do not know who wins with this situation but surely, not the drivers.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 08:22 PM   #8173
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Have watched on tv and ministery says that just regular checks at all. Not being part os schengen means that they can glance your car or making and exhaustive check.

Considering the amount of drugs smugglered from the rock yearly (and the beginning of the conflict) seems something like "we will not have facilities to control sea smugglers but we will check all the cars"

I do not know who wins with this situation but surely, not the drivers.
Yes, that's your Spanish version of events. 6 hour delay both ways is ridiculously long, and only happened because the Guardia Civil got beaten by the Royal Gibraltar Police and the Royal Navy. Nothing else.
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Old July 29th, 2013, 09:41 PM   #8174
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Every year tons and tons of drugs and other goods are smuggled
I do not know how do they arrive to the rock and which custom borders do they have but the number of things catched in the road border or in the bay is just amazing.
Crossing the border means availability to go to the other corner of Europe with no controls as you know. Drugs and weapons incluided.

In one hand you have a country more worried to their territory as seems. In the other hand a country more worried on smuggling rather than in territories.

Problems with territories? Second option. All Schengen control apply to the border and beaches in the nearby. Beaches do not appear on images because they are not suffered by drivers, almost only by smugglers but the control is the same one.

Nevertheless, controls aren't different for cars coming from Andorra or Morocco (Portugal and France do not have at all). Which are the differences? They are customs are ready for huge controls. As you have read in this thread all cars (and they are not foreing at all mainly) coming from Andorra are stopped.


Solutions? Easy.... Trust in an anti smuggling policy and collaboration. Just avoid to have a great deal of goods catched in the border
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Old July 30th, 2013, 12:12 PM   #8175
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British police in Gibraltar are very lenient with smugglers, and this means a lot of illegal goods enter Spain every day because of it (drugs included). The Spanish police know it and they are just upset with it. We've been having this problem since very long ago and it's not the first time the border controls get stricter. It is not a territorial issue, Spain has little interest in getting Gibraltar back.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 02:30 PM   #8176
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British police in Gibraltar are very lenient with smugglers, and this means a lot of illegal goods enter Spain every day because of it (drugs included). The Spanish police know it and they are just upset with it. We've been having this problem since very long ago and it's not the first time the border controls get stricter. It is not a territorial issue, Spain has little interest in getting Gibraltar back.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 04:11 PM   #8177
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British police in Gibraltar are very lenient with smugglers, and this means a lot of illegal goods enter Spain every day because of it (drugs included). The Spanish police know it and they are just upset with it. We've been having this problem since very long ago and it's not the first time the border controls get stricter. It is not a territorial issue, Spain has little interest in getting Gibraltar back.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #8178
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Well the Spanish government might, but I would be surprised if the percentage of Spanish people that really care is very high.
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Old July 30th, 2013, 11:06 PM   #8179
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Well the Spanish government might, but I would be surprised if the percentage of Spanish people that really care is very high.
In the last SSC poll made about one year ago, a great deal of forumers had no business in that issue.....
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Old July 31st, 2013, 12:37 AM   #8180
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I believe this is only used for Schengen states. Romania also uses a similar type of signage on the border with Moldova.
I didn't know that. But two years ago I crossed Slovenia and they had the blue sign with the name of the country inside the starts at the border with Italy, and a white one with the name of the country, the coat of arms, and underneath a blue one with EU inside the stars at the border with Croatia (similar to the Croatian one I posted).
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