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Old August 7th, 2013, 04:31 PM   #8221
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Old August 7th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #8222
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I left for a while, lurked for a bit, left again....

To the extent possible, I just want to look at the pretty pictures. Now why can't I see the signature I just said up that says so?



EDIT: Ah. There it is. I thought it showed up on old posts. Not important....
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Old August 7th, 2013, 04:44 PM   #8223
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One day after Road_UK gets banned Penn's Woods returns. Suspicious....

Welcome back Penn!
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Old August 7th, 2013, 04:50 PM   #8224
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Coincidence. I liked him, although he had his moments. (We all have our moments.)

I'd been "looking at pretty pictures" around here for a few days.

I thought I could contribute to this thread, the point about Olivenza.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 05:47 AM   #8225
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Are there Islands wit borders?
I mean, two or more countries in just one island.
Does someoody know???
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Old August 8th, 2013, 05:57 AM   #8226
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Sint-Maarten / Saint Martin (NL-FR)
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Old August 8th, 2013, 06:39 AM   #8227
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Are there Islands wit borders?
I mean, two or more countries in just one island.
Does someoody know???
Dominican Republic and Haiti in Hispaniola Island; Chile and Argentina in Tierra del Fuego Island; Indonesia and Papua New Guinea in New Guinea Island; Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysia in Borneo Island; Sweden and Finland in Märket Island, etc.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 07:06 AM   #8228
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I understand Schengen as a scheme of free movement but at what point does it have the ability to stop criminals passing through borders? Is there an EU wide arrest warrant? Even so if there is, the criminal could have already passed from one jurisdiction to another.
AFAIK, the police of a Schengen country is able to cross the borders when watching out a suspect with prior authorization.

When there is urgency, the authorization can be asked after crossing the border but the stay of the "alien police" is limited to 5 hours (it might be extended if the authorization is issued, or the police might be forced to stop the watch if requested by the country).

If during a chase, the fugitive crosses a border, the police is entitled to cross the border to continue the chase reporting the case immediately to the implied country. The limits on this right are set by bilateral agreements, for example in the case of Spain and Portugal, the limit is 2 hours or 50 km from the border. I think that the arrest must be made by the "home police" but the "alien police" is allowed to retain the fugitive until the "home police" arrives. I also think that the "home police" is supposed to continue the chase asap.

If the judge thinks that a suspect has crossed a border, it can issue a order of arrest to the other country.

Furthermore, and althought I think this is unrelated to Schengen, the police of a country is sometimes invited to another one when there might be a high concentration of citizens of that country.

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French police in Madrid

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Portuguese and Spanish police together:

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Old August 8th, 2013, 11:34 AM   #8229
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afaik there are EU wide arrest warrants since 2002. this is why physical borders within EU and schengen are old-fashioned, not to mention license-plate based controls at the borders.

it is precisely by entirely linking up the periphery with the centers that you can solve the host of social and material, development issue that contribute to criminality and u can take advantage of increased mobility, productivity and lower prices. only via union-wide spreading of equal opportunities and zero prejudices is fairer future possible.

in the meantime policing is co-ordinated, there is surveillance at the border points,but known or sought after individuals can be apprehended via cooperation in a union territory country, controlling the entire passenger traffic at border points or even worse according to nationality is by all means unacceptable as "credible reason" for suspicion, it is a return to the star on shirt/sleeve.

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Old August 8th, 2013, 11:36 AM   #8230
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Are there Islands wit borders?
I mean, two or more countries in just one island.
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Northern Ireland - Republic of Ireland
England - Scotland - Wales
Haiti - Dominican Republic
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Old August 8th, 2013, 12:21 PM   #8231
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Old August 8th, 2013, 12:22 PM   #8232
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Old August 8th, 2013, 12:27 PM   #8233
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Cuba (Cuba - US)

Cyprus (Cyprus - UK, not counting North Cyprus)

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Old August 8th, 2013, 12:36 PM   #8234
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AFAIK, the police of a Schengen country is able to cross the borders when watching out a suspect with prior authorization.

When there is urgency, the authorization can be asked after crossing the border but the stay of the "alien police" is limited to 5 hours (it might be extended if the authorization is issued, or the police might be forced to stop the watch if requested by the country).

If during a chase, the fugitive crosses a border, the police is entitled to cross the border to continue the chase reporting the case immediately to the implied country. The limits on this right are set by bilateral agreements, for example in the case of Spain and Portugal, the limit is 2 hours or 50 km from the border. I think that the arrest must be made by the "home police" but the "alien police" is allowed to retain the fugitive until the "home police" arrives. I also think that the "home police" is supposed to continue the chase asap.

If the judge thinks that a suspect has crossed a border, it can issue a order of arrest to the other country.

Furthermore, and althought I think this is unrelated to Schengen, the police of a country is sometimes invited to another one when there might be a high concentration of citizens of that country.

For example:

French police in Madrid

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Source

Source

Portuguese and Spanish police together:

Source (more pics)


Incredible... That would have been unheard of, a few decades ago.

There could be linguistic barriers though. What if they don't understand each other? Do all Spaniards speak Portuguese, for example?
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Old August 8th, 2013, 12:49 PM   #8235
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You may find sometime police from other countries on xternal Schengen borders. Once it happened that I was crossing from Serbia to Hungary and an austrian policeman checked me. I must say that he was better than the hungarian ones.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:49 PM   #8236
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Dominican Republic and Haiti in Hispaniola Island; Chile and Argentina in Tierra del Fuego Island; Indonesia and Papua New Guinea in New Guinea Island; Brunei, Indonesia and Malaysia in Borneo Island; Sweden and Finland in Märket Island, etc.
England, Scotland and Wales on Great Britain. :-)

(And Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.)

EDIT: Damn. Fatfield got England, Scotland and Wales. But I was joking, since they're all one "country" in the sense that they're all the same nation-state.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:52 PM   #8237
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You will also find Italian Police at the Oktoberfest in Munich/Germany.
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Old August 8th, 2013, 02:56 PM   #8238
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You will also find Italian Police at the Oktoberfest in Munich/Germany.
Guess why
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You will also find Italian Police at the Oktoberfest in Munich/Germany.
For real? WTF is going on in Europe?
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You will also find Italian Police at the Oktoberfest in Munich/Germany.
In festival "Sziget" in Budapest, there are usually German, Austrian and Dutch police there.
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