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Old August 10th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #8261
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I am wondering why in those days such towns were built at a border so that the citiy would be devided immidiately.
Is it possible the town's older than the border? (The Gadsden Purchase of 1853/54 being the event that established that stretch of the border...)
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Old August 11th, 2013, 12:46 AM   #8262
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Gibraltar airport has a new terminal that allows any passenger coming from Spain and going to La Linea not to have any passport control. Something like in Mulhouse but smaller obviosly.

For a while it had a daily flight with Iberia (btw Iberia and British airways are now the same company just operating with different colours and names) from Madrid but it dropped out when the high speed railway approached the area. There are more airports in the coast so it only worths for citizens quite close to the border, you have the option of train and there weren't enogh passengers to maintain the flight on.

But if restored, that will be possible.

There is a thread in the Spanish forum with interesting pictures when it was under construction.

Furthermore, one forumer asked why not bigger custom decks.

I really do not know neither understand.

They focused in an airport without fligths and forgot car customs!!!

If you read some posts you'll find cool jokes against the Spanish government. Some of them made me laugh.

Personnally I just wonder about tax free goods and tax evasion (even by British citizens either Spanish... It is known because easy to make tax evasion).
In my opinion I agree with car checks in the border but not with those custom facilities.

This is, if Spanish government want to make exhaust checks (like if you come from Andorra) ok, make them...... but without queues. Set there as many personnel as necessary and custom cabins to avoid any queue.

I do not think that any citizen who hasn't something to hide will matter because an exhaust check if it is fluid. Won't they?

Finally... I think that it is known but Spanish government has more "reasons" not to make controls.... But to make press talking about them (last week PM faces parliament to talk about a huge case of corruption)... but that's another topic
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Old August 11th, 2013, 01:44 AM   #8263
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Incredible... That would have been unheard of, a few decades ago.

There could be linguistic barriers though. What if they don't understand each other? Do all Spaniards speak Portuguese, for example?
Maybe we canīt speak it, but if spoken slowly, a Spaniard can understand 90% of Portuguese.

If the Portuguese speaker talks fast, we donīt get a thing.
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Old August 11th, 2013, 03:33 AM   #8264
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they use to speak fast as hell... I think that we unconsciously do the same (because some Latin American friends have told me or even asked me to speak more slowly) but the portuguese are better catching our speech. Maybe it's because they have more vowels.

Anyway the policemen sent abroad have some level of the other language (at least intermediate I think...)
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Old August 11th, 2013, 11:12 AM   #8265
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Nogales Sonora Mexico - Nogales Arizona USA border 1898
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I am wondering why in those days such towns were built at a border so that the citiy would be devided immidiately.

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Is it possible the town's older than the border? (The Gadsden Purchase of 1853/54 being the event that established that stretch of the border...)

In 1841 was stablished Los Nogales de Elias town and the Gadsden purchase was in 1853, so I think it was just one city, divided after the Gadsden purchase














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Old August 11th, 2013, 06:57 PM   #8266
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Trivia about the Gadsden Purchase: It was Jefferson Davis, later president of the Confederacy, who was behind that (as Secretary of War, Secretary of State...I'm not sure). There was a lot of interest at that time (just a few years after the California Gold Rush) in building a railroad to the west coast; cities like Chicago, Saint Louis, Memphis were competing to be the eastern terminus, and Davis, who was from Mississippi, figured the Gadsden Purchase would facilitate a New Orleans option.
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Old August 11th, 2013, 07:49 PM   #8267
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I donīt understand why they didnīt keep the whole town either in USA or in Mexico.
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Old August 11th, 2013, 08:51 PM   #8268
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I don't know, but there are several cases of this in Europe as well...

It's not as bad as there since most of them are inside Schengen.
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Old August 11th, 2013, 09:09 PM   #8269
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I donīt understand why they didnīt keep the whole town either in USA or in Mexico.
That was what I meant, but I was not aware of the fact that the border was redrawn later, so after the town was established.

Than the question stays, more or less: Why draw a border through a town whilst there is (was) only desert around the area. There are more of such places.
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Old August 12th, 2013, 01:06 AM   #8270
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German customs (Zoll) was stopping vehicles today at the border crossing from CZ (Pomezí nad Ohří) into DE, here. One car was already pulled over when I got there, the ones in front of me, and I, got trough fast. I only had to say "Grüß Gott", and they waved us to go and wished us "Gute Fahrt".
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Old August 12th, 2013, 01:37 AM   #8271
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I don't know, but there are several cases of this in Europe as well...

It's not as bad as there since most of them are inside Schengen.
Any example of european towns that are divided like this?
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Old August 12th, 2013, 02:04 AM   #8272
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Any example of european towns that are divided like this?
Not with a wall or anything, but Putte (NL-BE) is a nice one
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Old August 12th, 2013, 02:35 AM   #8273
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Any example of european towns that are divided like this?
Gorlitz|DE and Zgorzelec|PL ?

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Old August 12th, 2013, 03:48 AM   #8274
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Zgorzelec

Brest (Belarus), Terespol-Brzesc border crossing.

Grodno is also located near to the Polish border.


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Old August 12th, 2013, 04:07 AM   #8275
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Thanks for the correction .
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Old August 12th, 2013, 07:59 AM   #8276
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Cieszyn - Český Těšín ( PL - CZ ) but it's also Schengen area.
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Thanks to Schengen those cities are less divided, but there are still administrative divisions. There should be one administration, one mayor and one town council, then those cities will not be anymore divided.
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Old August 12th, 2013, 12:23 PM   #8278
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There should be one administration, one mayor and one town council, then those cities will not be anymore divided.
Linguistic issues could create problems, though.
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It's kinda weird... Half the city speaks one language, and the other half speaks another.
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It's kinda weird... Half the city speaks one language, and the other half speaks another.
It's the same in Gorizia/Nova Gorica.
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