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Old August 30th, 2013, 09:22 AM   #8421
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There are some areas in the EU not belonging to the customs union. Maybe that's the case...

It also might have something to do with the regulations on free ports...

It might be also the tax for the use of the port.
Most people just do not understand the EU taxation system. The most important reason behind the misunderstanding is the procedure related to the products the passengers are carrying across the borders. It is an exception to the basic principle.

A common misconception is that the EU is "tax free". A better summary is "the imported products must be treated equally to the domestic ones".

Most (but not all) of the EU is covered by the EU Customs Union. No product crossing the internal borders of the Customs Union is subject to customs duties. Simple is that.

Then there is the EU VAT Area. The basic principle is that the VAT is payable to the country where the product is finally given to the consumer. The procedures around the VAT are rather complex. Basically, the import and export done by companies is tax-free, and the target country does the VAT collection. There is a refunding system for those exported products already containing VAT.

A third element is the Excise Tax. It usually applies to alcohol, tobacco, fuels, etc. Like the VAT, the ET is payable to the country where the product is given to the consumer. The ET of the imported goods is typically collected "at the border" by the local customs. (The actual customs office may be located inland, far from the border.)

Attempts to establish general border taxes (like x% of the goods value) will be killed by the EU, sooner or later.

In order to reduce the bureaucracy related to minor things, there are exceptions to these basic rules. For the consumers, the following ones apply:

- The products imported by travellers are "tax free" at the internal borders if the products are for personal use. Being "tax free" does not mean to be free of taxes but the VAT and the ET being paid to country of the purchase.

- The mail orders are treated similarly to the traveller import what comes to the VAT: The VAT is payable to the country of purchase. However, if the sales volumes of the vendor are not minor, the VAT is payable to target country according to basic procedure. The mail orders are not free from the excise taxes. If the ET is high for some products (like alcohol in Finland), the country may create complex procedures to prevent the tax leakage from happening, and it is allowed to do so.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 09:37 AM   #8422
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Here's another tripoint for you, between Austria/Switzerland/Liechtenstein. The actual spot is on the river Rhine, but I had crossed from each of the 3 countries to the other that day. There are actually 2 tripoints between the 3 countries, I only visited the one on the West of FL, the one Eastwards is actually atop of a mountain


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/49240183


http://www.panoramio.com/photo/68681803

So here are my pics. This is in Austria, after crossing the bridge from Switzerland


This is the CH custom house


And the whole bridge


And here is the land border between A and FL, while CH is over the river




Some 100m north is a cycle and walking road


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Old August 30th, 2013, 12:02 PM   #8423
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Another picture of the border crossing Medzitlija between Greece and Macedonia. This is the Macedonian part of the crossing.

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Old August 30th, 2013, 01:31 PM   #8424
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Children from two villages of Neštin and Vizić in Serbia attend 5th-8th grades of elementary school in the town of Bačka Palanka. Nearest way is across the bridge on the Danube, but they have to cross Croatian territory on their way to school. Children usually change two or three passports a year, since they are full of passport stamps of these border crossings [Neštin(SRB)-Ilok(HR) and Ilok(HR)-Bačka Palanka(SRB)]:



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Old August 30th, 2013, 08:06 PM   #8425
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Sounds a lot like Portuguese.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 08:11 PM   #8426
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Sounds a lot like Portuguese.
Serbo-Croatian sounds like Portuguese?
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Old August 30th, 2013, 08:22 PM   #8427
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0uanqWgInk
maybe is for the "s" pronuntation
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Old August 30th, 2013, 10:53 PM   #8428
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~50kms queue (10 hours) from Bulgaria into Serbia thanks to Turkish gastarbeiters

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Old August 30th, 2013, 11:02 PM   #8429
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Until Sofia?
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Old August 30th, 2013, 11:06 PM   #8430
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That's what they say. Other news mentioned Slivnitsa.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 06:36 PM   #8431
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In the past 24h 100.000 passengers crossed into Serbia from Bulgaria through Gradina border crossing.

The wave has now reached Batrovci and Horgoš crossings with Croatia and Hungary where the waiting times are 4 and 3 hours respectively.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:27 AM   #8432
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I just met with a bulgarian friend that is now driving from BG to Germany. He took the route through Romania to avoid the large queues at the BG-SRB border, but he told me that he waited 2.5 hours to cross the Danube bridge at Vidin-Calafat (BG-RO).
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:30 AM   #8433
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Lol probably he wasn't the only one with that idea.

He should have went to some other crossing between Serbia and Bulgaria but it is a detour of about 350km from the motorway.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:36 AM   #8434
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We worked together in Romania, so it was nice for him to see again this places while passing-by.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:51 AM   #8435
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There's Google Street View for that
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Old September 1st, 2013, 10:35 AM   #8436
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We changed the landscape / road system in this area together... so Street View is not up to date
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Old September 1st, 2013, 10:38 AM   #8437
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Ofcourse they arent always up-to-date!
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Old September 1st, 2013, 10:42 AM   #8438
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We changed the landscape / road system in this area together... so Street View is not up to date
What did you do that for?
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What did you do that for?
For money. This is what construction engineers do. Build new roads... buildings etc.
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You must be earning a lot then. I didn't know you were a builder
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