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Old September 1st, 2013, 10:54 PM   #8461
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Not between the Greek mainland and Turkey. There are though sea connections from/to Lesvos, Hios, Kos and Rodos (Rhodes) and mainland Turkey with ferries operating too.
I went from Samos to Kuşadası and back in 1999.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 11:00 PM   #8462
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The only salvation for you guys is the activation of the Schengen Treaty in Bulgaria and Romania.
That's Greece's salvation, too. And that's why it won't happen.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 11:04 PM   #8463
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Turkey - Greece natural border... River Evros.
It's called Maritsa
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Old September 1st, 2013, 11:12 PM   #8464
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I went from Samos to Kuşadası and back in 1999.
Yes I forgot Samos.

(PS. It is Evros/Meriç/Marica; it depends on the language).
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 12:38 AM   #8465
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It's called Maritsa

Whatever you say, dude.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 12:39 AM   #8466
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That's Greece's salvation, too. And that's why it won't happen.

Eat your heart out for Romania and Bulgaria will join the Schengen Area in 2014. (At worst in 2015).
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:53 AM   #8467
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Eat your heart out for Romania and Bulgaria will join the Schengen Area in 2014. (At worst in 2015).
Sounds good. But as I looking on the map, Bulgaria and Romania still have not developed carriage roads in longitude direction. Therefore it will be still faster through Serbia and Macedonia via E75
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:57 AM   #8468
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Sounds good. But as I looking on the map, Bulgaria and Romania still have not developed carriage roads in longitude direction. Therefore it will be still faster through Serbia and Macedonia via E75
I can't go through those countries with a load in my van. So I still have to go through Hungary to stay in the EU. I'll be ok going back empty.

Same with Italy. With a load I always use either Brenner or Mont Blanc, but going back empty I'm ok through Switzerland which is shorter and cheaper...
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 11:08 AM   #8469
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I can't go through those countries with a load in my van. So I still have to go through Hungary to stay in the EU. I'll be ok going back empty.

Same with Italy. With a load I always use either Brenner or Mont Blanc, but going back empty I'm ok through Switzerland which is shorter and cheaper...
Do you mean you will spent hours or days at border crossings? According to my experience 60 % of trucks in Serbia and Macedonia has romanian, bulgarian and greek licence plates. Apparently, the ridiculous situation may happen after BG and RO joint: Empty motorways in SRB and MK and full primary roads in BG and RO.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 11:35 AM   #8470
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Going through non-EU countries with a load on means having to declare your load at customs after getting the correct forms at customs agencies. Suppose I've got a load from England to Italy in transit in my van and I wish to go through Switzerland via Basel and Chiasso-Como. At Dover I first have to go to a freight clearance agency where I get paperwork to give to another freight clearance agency in St Louis in France on the border. There they give me new paperwork which I have to get stamped by French and Swiss customs which I do on foot. I carry on to Chiasso-Como, and I've got to go through the same ******* procedure again. Not worth it. It's already a pain in the ass enough as it is doing a delivery in Switzerland or Norway....
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 11:56 AM   #8471
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How was that before Schengen? I mean, did truckers have to go through all this 5,6,7 times for a single journey?
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 12:00 PM   #8472
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Before Schengen they just had to undergo passport/id control. Before 1993 there was no single market and there were custom chceks among all EC members.
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Before Schengen they just had to undergo passport/id control. Before 1993 there was no single market and there were custom chceks among all EC members.
It's got nothing to do with Schengen. You don't have to go through this shit when going to the UK, Romania or Bulgaria. And Switzerland and Norway are in Schengen, but not in a customs union.
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How was that before Schengen? I mean, did truckers have to go through all this 5,6,7 times for a single journey?
Before the 1991 Maastricht treaty freight traffic were subjected to these procedures at every border crossing , yes. When there is no customs union, obviously all freight has to be declared and duty has to be paid.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 12:17 PM   #8475
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It's got nothing to do with Schengen. You don't have to go through this shit when going to the UK, Romania or Bulgaria. And Switzerland and Norway are in Schengen, but not in a customs union.
That's what I wrote, before Schengen there were only passport checks at the borders also for trucks.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 12:19 PM   #8476
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Before the 1991 Maastricht treaty freight traffic were subjected to these procedures at every border crossing , yes. When there is no customs union, obviously all freight has to be declared and duty has to be paid.
The Maastricht treaty came into force in 1993.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 12:36 PM   #8477
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@Road_UK: Norway is in the Schengen area and there are no border controls. How are you declaring to the customs since there are no facilities at the border?
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 01:03 PM   #8478
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Switzerland the same, but there are still manned border crossings. In a personal car, I was never stopped, but some were. You are not allowed to bring in more then some kg of meat, cheese etc. Products are much expensive then in Austria, Germany. So people living in the border area go shopping outside CH, but have limitations.

There are also small border crossings were I didn't see anyone. But I think those routes are not for freight traffic.
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 01:27 PM   #8479
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I can't go through those countries with a load in my van. So I still have to go through Hungary to stay in the EU. I'll be ok going back empty.

Same with Italy. With a load I always use either Brenner or Mont Blanc, but going back empty I'm ok through Switzerland which is shorter and cheaper...
It's not possible to have a sort of "transit permit" to pass through a non-EU country on the way between two EU countries with a truck or van full of goods?
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 01:31 PM   #8480
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@Road_UK: Norway is in the Schengen area and there are no border controls. How are you declaring to the customs since there are no facilities at the border?
There are freight clearing facilities on the borders. There's a big one on the E6 just off the motorway.
When I went to Mo-i-Rana I crossed the border right at the top, but there were no clearance facilities or customs. I just delivered it and cleared it on my way back on the E6... Remember that when travelling with goods, you always need to have documents with you. Customs can check you anywhere in Europe, even within Schengen. I never go out without my CMR (international consignment note) which I usually fill in myself.

I used to pick up loads in Kaiserslautern, Germany at the United States airbase. As I was loading on US soil, they gave me all the US army paperwork for me to clear at customs in Dover.
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