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Old September 2nd, 2013, 01:33 PM   #8481
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It's not possible to have a sort of "transit permit" to pass through a non-EU country on the way between two EU countries with a truck or van full of goods?
Yes. And guess where you get that permit. These are the T2 forms, and everything has to be written down on it, validated by clearance agencies and stamped by customs. On both sides of the border!
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 02:09 PM   #8482
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Yes. And guess where you get that permit. These are the T2 forms, and everything has to be written down on it, validated by clearance agencies and stamped by customs. On both sides of the border!
I guess it's quite time-consuming. I've heard that good vehicles often wait 2-3 days in queue at the border between EU and Russia-Ukraine-Belarus. Have you ever experienced it?
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 02:16 PM   #8483
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Eat your heart out for Romania and Bulgaria will join the Schengen Area in 2014. (At worst in 2015).
Why would I eat my heart out? I'm from Bulgaria and want to join Schengen
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 02:52 PM   #8484
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I guess it's quite time-consuming. I've heard that good vehicles often wait 2-3 days in queue at the border between EU and Russia-Ukraine-Belarus. Have you ever experienced it?
No, I've never been that way. I find the queues with lorries on the Swiss borders long enough. Me sitting in my van between those biggons... And then still having to find a place to park on these big lorry parks is a nightmare. Before Schengen going into Poland etc I just mingled with the tourists...
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:04 PM   #8485
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When I went to Mo-i-Rana I crossed the border right at the top, but there were no clearance facilities or customs.
You took the E12 to Mo i Rana? There is a customs facility, but it is located in Tärnaby, 74 km of the border. It's pretty easy to miss, especially since you don't expect one this far of the border:

https://maps.google.fi/maps?saddr=E1...68.61,,0,16.39
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 09:18 PM   #8486
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Yes, I've definitely missed that one. It probably would have been closed anyway as it was Sunday. I was going to stay the night on the border, but as there was nothing there I just kept going and stayed in a Best Western hotel in Mo, and cleared it on my way back on the E6...
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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:18 PM   #8487
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Hungary, main road 84 after Sopron, Austrian border visible in the background.

Photo taken in Aug 2013. This time, both Hungarian and Austrian police were observing crossing traffic from their cars.

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Old September 2nd, 2013, 10:58 PM   #8488
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SWE-FIN border at Haparanda. Passing through traffic is less than 1000 vehicles a day at this border.

I comparison the SWE-DK border at the bridge has 19.500 vehicles och 72.000 persons passing through a day.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 12:54 AM   #8489
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SWE-FIN border at Haparanda. Passing through traffic is less than 1000 vehicles a day at this border.

I comparison the SWE-DK border at the bridge has 19.500 vehicles och 72.000 persons passing through a day.
It sounds like too little... I have been there this last Saturday eating at a Shopping Center on the finnish side that is right on the border and overlooks that border crossing of the main road. From the window of the restaurant I saw at least 100 vehicles went by in just in 20 mins.

Moreover the counting could be a bit tricky if it's done just on that road, as Tornio - Haparanda are kind of a divided city and there's a second road/street full of traffic (one that goes straight to an Ikea located almost at the border) just 300 mts away from the one on pic. And there's a also a third road/street to the north.

By the way: every border crossing on Finland -no matter how small- has cameras recording every car. There will be people happy about that, but since I can't be sure how the information gathered it's actually used by the goverment I find it a bit disturbing...
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 01:30 AM   #8490
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Hungary, main road 84 after Sopron, Austrian border visible in the background.

Photo taken in Aug 2013. This time, both Hungarian and Austrian police were observing crossing traffic from their cars.

This is the place of the Pan-European picnic, when, in August 1989 the first breach on the iron curtain was made. For the first time since 1961, East German were allowed to flee west via CZ, H and A.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 10:23 AM   #8491
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You took the E12 to Mo i Rana? There is a customs facility, but it is located in Tärnaby, 74 km of the border. It's pretty easy to miss, especially since you don't expect one this far of the border:

https://maps.google.fi/maps?saddr=E1...68.61,,0,16.39
Question: does Norwegian customs also hold an office in there? I would have needed them for my entry stamp. Swedish customs wouldn't have been that important as I already got an outgoing UK stamp anyway...

Delivering in Oslo at Kühne and Nagel is a lot easier. Apart from the procedure in Dover declaring outgoing goods, in Oslo they do all the clearing for me.

One time I had this order on my van from a UK haulage company. I had about 6 addresses to go in Switzerland. One in Basel, one in Schaffhausen, a couple in Zürich and somethi for Lausanne. Got all the paperwork, cleared everything at Basel, and delivered everything ok until I got to Lausanne. There ii found out I had some boxes unaccounted for. No paperwork, not even an address, and therefore it entered Switzerland illegally. Obviously I wouldn't have been able to leave the country with those boxes. My boss told me to hang on a couple of hours and in the worst scenario just chuck them in the river. Eventually I dropped them off at a warehouse in Geneva, where they did all the clearing.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 10:26 AM   #8492
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^ Quick look at NVDB maps says it has 4000-8000 aadt on the E4 Happaranda Tornio border.

Norwegian customs office for E12 is located in Mo I Rana.

When RO and BG enters Schengen it should be time to demolish that border fence no?
https://maps.google.com/?ll=44.08832...348.31,,0,2.76
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 11:20 AM   #8493
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^ Quick look at NVDB maps says it has 4000-8000 aadt on the E4 Happaranda Tornio border.

Norwegian customs office for E12 is located in Mo I Rana.

When RO and BG enters Schengen it should be time to demolish that border fence no?
https://maps.google.com/?ll=44.08832...348.31,,0,2.76
I have been always wondering why is Bulgaria fenced by this barbed-wire? It is like relict from cold war times
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 11:27 AM   #8494
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But you also have these:
http://goo.gl/maps/l6dcI
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 11:40 AM   #8495
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What does the last one suppose to be? Border crossing prepared for Schengen joint? The road seems to be in very good condition.
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 11:54 AM   #8496
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Yep. But I think they over-reacted with so many lanes on the romanian side. FFS... it's a DC road, which is the last in importance in Romania (DC = drum comunal, local road).
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Old September 3rd, 2013, 12:10 PM   #8497
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Yep. But I think they over-reacted with so many lanes on the romanian side. FFS... it's a DC road, which is the last in importance in Romania (DC = drum comunal, local road).
The increased number of lanes imply the preparation for checking booths what is obviously in contradiction with Schengen agreement.

I do not see any else purpose to increase number of lanes in such place.
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Question: does Norwegian customs also hold an office in there? I would have needed them for my entry stamp. Swedish customs wouldn't have been that important as I already got an outgoing UK stamp anyway...
According to Google maps they do: scroll a little onward from the place of the link above and you'll see the actual customs building.

https://maps.google.fi/maps?saddr=E1...,,2,-2.39&z=16

Zoom in and you'll see the Norwegian coat of arms, along with the Norwegian spelling "Toll". ("Tull" is Swedish.)

That's all I know. I've never transported anything here so I've never really been in any business with the customs of either state, just driven by.
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Old September 4th, 2013, 09:44 AM   #8499
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Why would I eat my heart out? I'm from Bulgaria and want to join Schengen
You said it won't happen... Read your own posts...
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Old September 4th, 2013, 10:03 AM   #8500
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You said it won't happen... Read your own posts...
What's with you and your all the time? You seem to think that you're the only intellect around here and all others have just crawled from underneath the bench...
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