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Old November 25th, 2013, 07:50 PM   #8881
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There are checkpoints at the edge of the border cities I think.
No, the city from the photos (Dionisio Cerqueira/ Bernardo de Yrigoyen) has official checkpoints inside the city where trucks and cars are supposed to go through. It's just that pedestrians can cross freely if they go through certain parts of the city. Theorically they can't carry goods when crossing outside of the official checkpoint. And going beyond city limits could be considered ilegal. But in practice it's not really enforced.

I marked as A the official checkpoint and as B the boulevard where the photos posted were taken: https://maps.google.com/maps?saddr=P...=16&via=1&z=16
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:38 PM   #8882
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Mercosur has the same kind of borders without customs as Schengen area does?
Schengen has nothing to do with customs, it's about passport and immigration control. EU is a customs union. (Some countries are in Schengen, but not EU while some are in EU, but not Schengen.)
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Old November 25th, 2013, 10:47 PM   #8883
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Schengen has nothing to do with customs, it's about passport and immigration control. EU is a customs union. (Some countries are in Schengen, but not EU
Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Iceland.
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while some are in EU, but not Schengen.)
United Kingdom, Ireland, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia.

I think there's a widespread ignorance about the differences between EU, Schengen area and Eurozone (not in this forum, where most people are well informed in this matter, but in real life).
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Old November 25th, 2013, 11:07 PM   #8884
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Schengen has nothing to do with customs, it's about passport and immigration control. EU is a customs union. (Some countries are in Schengen, but not EU while some are in EU, but not Schengen.)
Maybe I didn't use the proper word, but when I was talking about customs I meant "permanent border controls and checkpoints". In this particular case I don't make distinction for people or goods, as I was just asking about the fact of the lack of physical separation or checkpoints (generically called customs even if they only have the role of passport control) between both countries (Argentina and Brazil).
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Old November 25th, 2013, 11:20 PM   #8885
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I think there's a widespread ignorance about the differences between EU, Schengen area and Eurozone (not in this forum, where most people are well informed in this matter, but in real life).
To about 90 percent of the population of the world, it's irrelevant. :-P
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Old November 25th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #8886
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To many people inside Euro Zone, European Union or Schengen it's also very confusing...
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Old November 25th, 2013, 11:53 PM   #8887
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"Schengen area" is not common vocabulary for lot of people within the EU.

I guess the situation would be sort of similar to that: people relatively "know" what the EU is, but what is evident and what most of people can see is the lack of checkpoints in borders which is fundamentaly due to Schengen.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #8888
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Interesting text about getting more European stamps in US passports:

http://www.gadling.com/2011/03/02/on...ssport-stamps/



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3. Visit the following eastern European countries: Turkey, Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Georgia, Armenia, and/or Azerbaijan. Unavoidable passport stamp madness will transpire.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 12:49 AM   #8889
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Interesting text about getting more European stamps in US passports:

http://www.gadling.com/2011/03/02/on...ssport-stamps/


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Macedonia? Are you serious? I am Greek and I feel more offended than ever; not only offended, but from a very serious and respected tourism organisation!

The name of that country is FYROM, and until settlement of the matter I expect you to respect it.
Probably who wrote this think they're still the early 90s
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Old November 26th, 2013, 09:09 AM   #8890
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4. Visit San Marino and pay the tourist office for a passport stamp. The miniscule republic charges €5 to stamp passports. The bus fare from Rimini on Italy's Adriatic coast is worth it for the bragging rights alone.
I visited San Marino few months ago, I took my passport with me especially to get a stamp there... and I forgot
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Old November 26th, 2013, 10:29 AM   #8891
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The problem with countries like Switzerland is that although outside the EU, you can enter the country without problems with your EU passport from France, Italy etc. BUT although you can freely pass through the country or visit it as a tourist, you can't really stay there as long as you like because your EU rights don't apply there.

The whole thing is really confusing.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 12:21 PM   #8892
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Within Spain and no need to cross a border you have the same case... goods may be declared depending where they come.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 12:38 PM   #8893
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Within Spain and no need to cross a border you have the same case... goods may be declared depending where they come.
Really?
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Old November 26th, 2013, 01:15 PM   #8894
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Really?
Canary Islands, Ceuta and Melilla do have different taxes rather than the rest of Spain (for instance they do not pay VAT, they have a different tax, quite lower).

A person living there who buys anything in the rest of Spain is entitled to pay the full price, import to his home and go to the custom office asap he arrives there. He will show the invoice, will pay local taxes and will be able to ask VAT refund (furthermore, this situation apply to any citizen who lives outside the EU but to my best knowledge is so a nightmare that money to refund must be a lot to worth).

Conversely, there are a lot of goods that have a small quantity not to be declared.
As an example, the airport in my city is not really big and the office of goods to declare is used only in flights coming from the Canary islands. The other ones (EU airports) do not have goods customs.

Anywhere... providing you only carry a 20 kg baggage, the airplane ticket doesn't worth for smuggling and those cases. Thus custom police are focused only on ferries
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Old November 26th, 2013, 01:16 PM   #8895
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Livigno has the same status inside Italy.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 01:18 PM   #8896
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(for instance they do not pay VAT, they have a different tax, quite lower).
What if you purchase a new car in Canary Islands, Ceuta or Melilla and then you move it on Continental Spain? No VAT is something when you buy a Ç20k object.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 01:19 PM   #8897
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What kind of status is that one?
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Old November 26th, 2013, 07:33 PM   #8898
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The problem with countries like Switzerland is that although outside the EU, you can enter the country without problems with your EU passport from France, Italy etc. BUT although you can freely pass through the country or visit it as a tourist, you can't really stay there as long as you like because your EU rights don't apply there.

The whole thing is really confusing.
You just need to understand that there are several overlapping systems, each having their individual purpose, logic, and rules. Such as

- EU
- Euro zone
- EU Customs Union
- EU VAT Area
- European Economical Area (EU+Island, Norway, Switzerland)
- Schengen Agreement
- Nordic Passport Union

If I make a car trip from Helsinki to Dublin via Oslo, the following might happen:

- At the starting point, all of these seven apply.
- The ferries Helsinki/Turku-Stockholm call at ┼land Islands. Leaving the EU VAT area, and re-entering after leaving ┼land.
- Euro zone ends at entrering Sweden.
- Leaving EU, the Customs Union and the VAT area at the Norwegian/Swedish border, and re-entering them when returning to Sweden.
The Nordic Passpoort Union ends at the Danish/German border. The driving license is not any more valid as a travel document. Returning to the euro zone.
- Leaving the Schengen area and the Euro zone while crossing the English Channel.
- Returning to the Euro Zone in Ireland.
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Old November 26th, 2013, 08:12 PM   #8899
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Are there custom checks between mainland Finland and ┼land islands?
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There's also the Council of Europe, who covers the whole continent but Belarus and Vatican, including also Russia, Turkey and the Caucasus.
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